- 02/18/2011, 08:16PM ET
W_A_M_U? said 02/18, 08:16 PM
Of course the obvious thing to look at would be rings. Shaq has four (and six total Finals apperances) and Hakeem has two (three total). That's not always a fair way to judge all time greatness. A perfect example would be George Mikan. He won four championships with the Minneapolis Laker, Wilt won a total of two championships. So does that make Mikan better than Chamberlain? Of course not. Now back to my point of Hakeem being a better all around center than Shaq is/was I will start off their their career blocked shots numbers.
Olajuwon: 3,380 (most all time)
O'Neal : 2,732 (currently seventh)
And that's not even mentioning the fact that Hakeem lead the league in rebounding (two times) and blocked shots (two times) and Shaq never accomplished either in his HOF career. Hakeem could take a step or two away from the bucket and be counted on for points. Take Shaq a couple of steps away from the bucket and there isn't/wasn't much game there. Now Shaq will end up with bigger numbers across the board. With the exception of blocks, of course. I just think that The Dream was a better all around player than The Diesel. Or whichever nickname you wanna choice for him.
DJRoxalot said 02/19, 11:01 AM
3 Time Finals MVP
2000 NBA MVP
15 Time NBA All Star
8 Time All-NBA 1st Team
2 Time All NBA 2nd Team
4 Time All NBA 3rd Team
3 Time All Defensive 2nd Team
3 Time All Star NBA MVP
Olajuwon was better defensively but by a lot? I do not think so.
Shaq averaged 2.3bpg to Olajuwon's 3.1bpg. Not to mention Shaq was a roadblock to the basket. A behemoth that people had to think twice about driving to the basket and running into a 325-350 pound wall of humanity.
"And that's not even mentioning the fact that Hakeem lead the league in rebounding (two times) and blocked shots (two times) and Shaq never accomplished either in his HOF career."
Really? you want to go there?
*Rolls up the sleeves to get to work*
Olajuwon averaged 11.1rpg to Shaq's 10.9, basically a wash.
And Shaq's offense in his prime? 29.3ppg and 29.7ppg.
10 times Shaq led the NBA in FG %. That is how dominant he was.
Shaq was one of the best ballhandling big men of all time. I will never forget him grabbing a rebound and starting the fast break, going coast to coast for a monster dunk when he played for the Lakers.
Save the postseason stats for later.
W_A_M_U? said 02/19, 12:15 PM
Okay, I wanna start by saying that for everyone that insists Shaq would have been just as dominant as Wilt had Shaq played during his era AGAIN I just wanna remind folks that dunking was outlawed and the lane winded when Wilt got to the NBA. And please remind me what rule changes were put into place directly because of Shaq, ZERO right? I know I mentioned that in the comment section but since folks don't wanna aknowledge that I feel it bears repeating. So tell me how Shaq would have dominated in that era without being able to dunk? No back to the Hakeem/Shaquille comparison.
2 time Finals MVP
6 time ALL NBA first team
3 time ALL NBA second team
3 time ALL NBA third team
5 time ALL NBA defensive first team
3 time Defensive POY
And of course they are both one of the 50 greatest to have ever played the game.
It's just that I find Olajuwon's defesive awards a little more impressive than Shaq's 3 All Star Game MVP Awards. And obviously Shaq has more awards than Hakeem but for all around game give me Olajuwon over O'Neal ten outta ten times.
And Hakeem also lead the league in defensive rebounds, twice. And offensive rebounds once. Two things Shaq never accomplished.
DJRoxalot said 02/19, 03:41 PM
Dunking was outlawed? Whaaaat?
It was banned in HS and College but never in the NBA.
Forget the All Star awards.
How about an NBA MVP and 3, count em, 3 Finals MVP's (2000-02)?
That is impressive HARDWARE, my friend. Olajuwon never got an MVP and Shaq has 1 more Finals MVP, clearly showing his dominance in the regular season and postseason.
And his postseason stats?
1997-98, Shaq: 30.5ppg, 10.2rpg, 2.9apg and 2.6bpg while shooting 61.2% from the field
1999-00: 30.7ppg, 15.4rpg, 3.1apg and 2.4 bpg while shooting 56.6%.
2000-01: 30.4ppg, 15.4rpg, 3.2apg and 2.4bpg while shooting 55.5%.
2000-02: 28.5ppg, 12.6rpg, 2.8apg and 2.5bpg while shooting 64.9%.
And did you remember his showdown vs Dikembe?
33.0ppg, 15.8rpg, 4.8apg and 3.4bpg while shooting 57.3%. Against the best defensive center.
The Haq-a-Shaq was devised as a way to defend him because he was so
So what if Shaq never led the NBA in rpg? Their rebounding numbers are very similar and Shaq led the League twice in scoring. Olajuwon never did and Shaq was much more unstoppable.
W_A_M_U? said 02/20, 09:48 AM
To start I will say I did mess up on my last argument. I meant to say that OFFENSIVE GOALTENDING was instituted once Wilt got to the NBA, not the dunk being outlawed. Again, my bad!! The 1995 NBA Finals, a much younger O' Neal got taken to school by Olajuwon. And he put up some video game type numbers in that series versus The Diesel. The Rockets swept the Magic and The Dream set three NBA Finals records for a four game sweep. The record's Olajuwon set are...most points (131), most field goal made (56) and most field goals attempted (116). And his dominance of that series can be seen in the numbers he put up while getting the broom out. 32.8 points, 11.5 rebounds, 2.0 blocks, 2 steals per game.
"That is impressive, my friend. Olajuwon NEVER got an MVP."
DJ I just wanna point out that yes Hakeem did win a League MVP Award, the 1993-94 season. And that same year Olajuwon was also the Defensive Player of the Year and Finals MVP. So I would say that The Dream had a hellova 1994 season. Winning all the important hardware in the process. And the final reason I would pick The Dream over The Diesel is career FT %. Olajuwon finished his career at a .712 clip. Shaq is at .527.
DJRoxalot said 02/20, 05:00 PM
"The 1995 NBA Finals, a much younger O' Neal got taken to school by Olajuwon."
Olajuwon was 32 in his 10th playoff while Shaq was just 23 and in his 2nd playoff.
When he went to LA? He owned Olajuwon. And the Lakers had a much more dominant run than the Rockets. And Shaq was a large part of that.
And an interesting stat? Most ppg in NBA Finals (minimum, 10 games):
Shaq, 34.2ppg (2nd all time behind Rick Barry)
The Dream? 27.2ppg
I believe that shows Shaq was a much more dominant offensive presence. Despite not having Olajuwon's moves. Regardless how he did it? Teams rarely had an answer for the brute force and power Shaq showed on the court and in the low post
"And his dominance of that series can be seen in the numbers he put up while getting the broom out. 32.8 points, 11.5 rebounds, 2.0 blocks, 2 steals per game."
Good but let me reiterate these numbers:
33.0ppg, 15.8rpg, 4.8apg and 3.4bpg while shooting 57.3%. Against the best defensive center at that time in Mutombo.
Shaq may have gotten schooled but he was young and not the best defensive center when Olajuwon schooled him.
Shaq was the better overall player in my opinion.
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