- 03/02/2011, 10:37PM ET
Rudedog: Believe The Hype said 03/02, 10:37 PM
Most of you have heard of the BYU basketball program dismissing Brandon Davies', a prominent player on the team, because he broke their "honor code." In the end, it was found out he had sex with his girlfriend, which isn't allowed by the honor code.
I salute BYU for doing this.
It's rare in today's world that a university sticks to their morals. We have coaches like Kelvin Sampson and John Calipari being hired by schools and ruining their programs because of lying and cheating.
What BYU did was stuck to their standards. Davies' knew what the rules were. And it wasn't like he was put in a situation by others. He had sex with his girlfriend. He knew it was against the rules and he chose to break them.
BYU didn't do anything out of their realm. The student broke the rules, they took a normal consequence for it.
I don't see how anything is wrong here.
Sorry DJ. I think you forgot to take your medicine before this one
DJRoxalot said 03/03, 10:03 AM
I am the perfect person to argue this since my ex wife is a mormon.
*Yeah, a black mormon, real rare. I know Peanut Gallery.*
The things they say that you should not do or a bit wacky. No coffee, no caffeine? No sex before marriage?
Okay, I can understand how they might not want kids to be gallivanting out and having orgies but when this kid signed it? I am sure he had every intention of abiding by it.
However, we were all young once, just not Twins. I think he was born with a life insurance policy and pen in hand. And we all know how things can get "hot and heavy" with a lady when the hormones start raging. Or with a dude if you are Cain.
It is race related. If this was a white kid and he was a senior? I do not think BYU would have taken this stance.
I think a suspension might have been more in order for this type of thing than "dismissing a player" and ruining his life for this infraction. It is not like he lied or stole.
HE TOLD THEM ABOUT IT!!!
He did not hide it or lie about it. He came clean. He does not get credit for coming forward? Does that not show some sort of character?
Cold showers do not work for all of us, Rude.
Rudedog: Believe The Hype said 03/03, 11:19 AM
Let's be clear about this. This isn't about whether the rule was/is stupid or not. The rule is the rule. You may not agree with the rule, but the kid knew what he could and couldn't do. He agreed to abide by said rules when he signed the contract, but knowingly broke the rules. You may not agree with the rule, but you didn't sign a contract. Davies' did.
Davies wasn't kicked out of the school and will likely return to the team next year, so, to me, this is a suitable punishment. He saved face by fessing up to officials that he broke the rules.
Again, it's not an issue of the rule being right or wrong, strict or not. The school had set a precedent in the past and stuck to those standards. If anything, Davies may have gotten off easily. In other cases, students have been kicked out of school. Davies just got suspended for the season, remained at the school, and will be back on the team.
You don't gain character for admitting you broke a rule. That just doesn't make sense. Because I admitted I cheated on the test, that makes everything ok?
Kudos to BYU on this one. Way to stick to your standards
DJRoxalot said 03/03, 01:05 PM
Look's like I have lost this before 2 arguments are in but what the Hell....
"He agreed to abide by said rules when he signed the contract, but knowingly broke the rules."
So perfection is now required among college kids? Perfection is not required of anybody. A church that is religion based should know this more than anybody. If they had found out without him saying? Maybe.
But he confessed. To the, um, crime.
Likely return? It is not a foregone conclusion.
"You don't gain character for admitting you broke a rule. That just doesn't make sense. Because I admitted I cheated on the test, that makes everything ok."
Um, having sex with a girlfriend or cheating on a test? Not seeing the correlation there, buddy. 2 HUGE differences.
Did you know 80% of BYU students are married? Think that this is all about love or trying to get some and follow the "rules?"
BYU is all about hypocrisy. Brigham Young was a huge polygamist, he had 55 wives, 54 after joining LDS. He divorced 10 and divorce is a huge no-no in the mormon faith.
A BYU baseball player was expelled for not attending church enough.
Rudedog: Believe The Hype said 03/03, 04:54 PM
That argument just covered so much crap right there, it's ridiculous
- You will never prove to me that "80% of BYU students are married" because they want to have sex. That's just stupid.
- I didn't even notice you pulled the race card in your first argument, quite inappropriately
- Brigham Young isn't relevant to this argument either
Right now, your stuck on the wrong thing. Perfection isn't required of the students, but they know damn well what's required of them. This wasn't sprung on Davies out of no where. He signed the written agreement and knew the rules.
Are the rules crazy? By most accounts, yes. But it's something Davies agreed to abide by and broke. Rules are rules, regardless how crazy we may think they are. And the purpose of this TD was whether BYU was right or wrong.
BYU treated this case just like every other case. In fact, they may be easier on him, but regardless, they treated him fairly.
The pain was brought
DJRoxalot said 03/04, 10:45 AM
You cannot have a girl in your apartment or dorm after Midnight?
No "mixed" housing?
They did not take any time in deciding this? They took a day, rather than a review of it and take their time before making a rash decision?
Listen if they took their time and made a well thought out decision? No problem. The kid deserves some credit. He obviously felt bad about it. If the school had found out another way?
He violated the Honor Code. For not admitting it and fessing up.
Davies is being made an example of because of his "transgression." Rather than a religion preaching forgiveness and the like they are "throwing him under the bus" in his time of woe. By doing this they are pushing their agenda of "no tolerance, no forgiveness."
Listen, I understand he violated an agreement he signed. Really, I do. But we as a society (not to mention a school of higher learning) have to learn that kids make MISTAKES.
It is part of growing up and becoming an adult. A suspension for a few games?
It is NOT like he CHEATED on a test.
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