- 03/08/2011, 10:42AM ET
gigi_iv said 03/08, 10:42 AM
Mike Repole comes off as a very enthusiastic and charismatic guy. Which is exactly what any sport needs, and horse racing should be glad that they have him. The only problem with rooting for Mike Repole as you watch the derby prep races this year is, which of his horses do you root for? Stay Thirsty who won the Gothom this past weekend, or Unlce Mo who killed the compititon at the Breeders Cup last fall and will have his first start of the year this weekend in the Timely Writer.
I know it's a bit premature to judge since Uncle Mo hasn't yet started this year, but there is more to horse racing than past results. Breeding plays a large factor and as good as Uncle Mo was last year, I just don't see his supporting a Triple Crown bid.
Stay Thirsty on the other hand, has plenty of American Classic sucess in his pedigree. His sire Bernardini was a Preakness winner and his Grandsire is AP Indy, winner of the Belmont. Through his sire he also has Seattle Slew and Secretariat. Uncle Mo? He has Indian Charlie and In Excess. The breeding just isn't there.
*Please note that I am not saying that these are the only two horses that could possibly win the Derby.*
Baun-ded=PH in MOTION said 03/08, 05:40 PM
Well I certainly don't have your extensive knowledge of horse racing, there are certain elements of your throwdown argument that I feel I can compete with you on.
Since you are clearly leaning towards Stay Thirsty based on your breeding argument, let's start there.
You have down played Uncle Mo's pedigree & had you gone back a little farther you would have noticed that Caro was the Grand Sire of In Excess who was the Grand Sire of Uncle Mo.
Caro Awards & recognition:
Leading Sire in France 1977
Sired 78 stakes winners!
Broodmare sire of 138 Stakes winners!
Lets get closer:
Racing record: 11-2-3
Is California's all-time Sire for money earners as of 2008.
Sired 49 stakes winners & counting.
While we could go on & on with breeding into generations, I think readers will get the point.
Clearly UNCLE MO has sufficient blood lines to substanciate his pedigree & support his bid as a real contender in the breeding department.
gigi_iv said 03/09, 09:07 AM
Caro and In Excess won several races at or near the derby length of 10 furlongs, and horses can overcome their breeding, or they can be go back to a previous generation when it comes to distance (like how some people can have red hair, but you have to go back two generations or more to find anyone with red hair). I find it interesting that only Derby winning horse that he sired was Winning Colors, a filly.
A key factor in recent years for the Derby has been the tail-male line (only the male line ancestors), and Mr. Prospector has been the #1 factor in that. Seeing as to how neither horse has him in that line on the pedigree chart, we have to look at what is there to determine who has the pedigree for the Derby.
AP Indy & Seattle Slew have both been the Leading Sire (03 & 06; 84) and in 92, Secretariat was the leading Broodmare Sire which is his relation to Stay Thirsty.
Uncle Mo's pedigree doesn't compare. He has to overcome it if he wants to win the Derby. Either way, you gotta be jealous of Mike Repole's plight.
Thanks for taking this.
Baun-ded=PH in MOTION said 03/09, 11:28 PM
Uncle Mo's pedigree doesn't compare. Well I decided it best to solicit an opinion with more horse sense then I & took the liberty of obtaining the following interview with Mr. Ed:
Q-Mr. Ed what is all this talk about pedigree with horses?
A-Haw-haw-haw. Just what it sounds like Bauner, talk. Bits & pieces really & there is just too much kiss & tell going on in my opinion.
Q-So how can we be sure these reports are accurate?
A-I can give you a real "leg up" on this one Bauner. I spoke to Still Thirsty's mother, Marozia personally. She told me she couldn't swear Bernadini is ST's sire. It turns out she has been riden more times then the town ferris wheel the past 3 years & not, at the track either. I guess the old grey mare ain't what she used to be. Haw-haw-haw.
Q-Mr.Ed, getting back to this pedigree question...
A-Baun you're beating a dead horse son. Do you think that Uncle Mo is checking id's at the post?
No & he couldn't give a hearty "High-Ho Silver" where the future Lepages came from. All he cares about is where he is going & that Mr. Baun, is fast & first over the finish line like he always does!
As Charlie says, WINNING!
End of story.
Ok, thanks Mr. Ed.
gigi_iv said 03/10, 09:24 AM
hehehehe....I like it!! I'm no where near that creative, so props to you. :)
You don't want to talk pedigree, that's fine. Like I said before, there are a lot of different factors.
Let's take a quick look at the past BC Junivelle winners and who won the Derby the next year:
Vale of York/Super Saver
Midshipman/Mind That Bird
War Pass/Big Brown
Action This Day/Smarty Jones
Only one horse did both in the last ten years. Most of those horses peeked early and went on to oblivion.
Another problem with a race like the Derby is that you have 20 horses running it. It's rare that you find races with more than 8. Uncle Mo likes to run in front, but what if he gets jostled coming out of the gate which is very likely to happen. Could he recover from that? Stay Thristy likes to run near the front. He's used to making those late surges.
Thanks for talking horses with me. It's been fun. :)
Baun-ded=PH in MOTION said 03/11, 08:26 AM
Let's finish with what you don't want to talk about or let Fannation know.
Uncle Mo & Stay Thirsty have already raced against each other in a stakes race at the Breeders Cup.
Uncle Mo won the race, or to use your own words, "KILLED THE COMPETION".
MIKE REPOLE had this to say at the end of the race about Stay Thirsty.
"He got Mo-joed like everybody else," Repole said. "Losing to Uncle Mo by 15 lengths is not embarrassing".
Since most of FanNation is not up on horse racing, lets give them a sample of what the racing world experts, owners, writers, bookmakers et all have are saying about the upcoming Derby & Uncle Mo.
He is being called a, PHENOM.
He is beyond all doubt the NUMBER ONE FAVOURITE, to win!
The only negative Mike Repole heard is that his horse runs too fast, his response was. "If that is the worst people can say, I have a big smile on my face."
You want to root for Stay Thirsty by all means, go ahead but, if you want to BET on the race, don't take such a long shot. The smart money is on Uncle Mo.
To the Plight of Mike Repole, the subject title of this TD.
Suffice to say...
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