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  • 03/08/2011, 05:12PM ET

Top 5 moments for americans in sports, on the international scene, in the last 12 years..

HighwayCrossingFrog (175-851-64) vs noydbyj (49-6-1)
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In no order..

1. 1999 - Agassi wins the French! Completing the rare Grand Slam, (only 6 or 7 people have done it!)..

2. 2000 - Sampras breaks the all time record in grand slams at wimbledon, going down as a legend in the process..

3. 2002 - USA gets to the quarter finals in the soccer world Cup.. For a country craving SOME soccer success, (and being realistic, this tournament is their only chance of getting it)..

4. 2008 - Michael Phelps in Bejing and all his medals..

5. Lance Armstrong.. Need I say more..


Not a bad list. Couple of changes (and clarifications).

1. 2009 U.S. Soccer defeat of Spain in the Federations Cup semifinal. Spain was riding a world record winning streak of 15 matches over 3 years, and the U.S. defeated them 2-0 to advance to the final of a FIFA men's tournament for the first time ever.

2. 1999 Women's World Cup: Brandi Chastain pulling her shirt off to celebrate the winning penalty kick. Only the third Women's World Cup, the final put women's soccer on the map and created a key moment in the expansion of the game.

3. Sampras-Agassi, 2002 U.S. Open Final. Yes, this is two U.S. players on U.S. soil, but the U.S. Open is an international stage for sure.

4. I agree with Phelps. I could go for a specific race, but it really was his Olympics.

5. Lance Armstrong, Stage 10, 2001 Tour, Alpe d'Huez. Armstrong's famous "look" back at Jan Ullrich, issuing a challenge that the German could not answer. Austin Murphy said that moment "was exactly when cycling officially lost its status as a fringe sport in this country." It doesn't even matter that it turns out Armstrong wasn't staring at Ullrich. That's how it looked to the world.


Ok, allow me to differ..

We agree with Phelps!

Your Armstrong memory was good..
But I prefer 2005, Armstrong's tightest tour de france..
ON another mountain stage, Lance falls off his bike because of a little girl!
Ulrich takes advantage and pulls ahead.. Lance not only catches up, but beats Ulrich by a good 40 seconds..

Soccer, 2002 vs 2009..
People will remember the world cup longer cause the world cup and the euro cup are the only international competitions that matter..
2002 was great, they beat Portugal and tied a tough south korea team in the process.. Then beat their nemesis Mexico in the round of 16, only to lose 1-nil to a very good germany team..

Tennis.. Not sure what is sooooo special about sampras and agassi playing in the finals of a major, considering they did it 4 times before that..
Pretty sure that both would agree the 1999 french and 2000 wimbledon were more important..

Women's soccer is good, but not to sound sexist, no one really cares about women's sports..
ok that did sound sexist, Im sooo sorry!


First, have to correct you. 2005 was not Armstrong's closest TDF. That distinction goes to 2003, when he outran Ullrich by 1:01, instead of beating Basso by 4:40 as he did in 2005. The key to 2001 was it was a distinct singular moment on the most famous climb in cycling, instead of 2005, when all Lance did was EXTEND (not set) his own record.

Men's Soccer: Sure the World Cup is a bigger stage. But 2002 did not even set a record for US soccer. In the very first WC, the US finished third. That beats a quarter finals appearance in my book. In 2009, the all-but-laughingstock US team beat a seemingly invincible Spanish team to make it to the US's first FINALS.

Tennis: The key is not what is important to THEM. The key to your TD is what is important to AMERICANS IN SPORTS. The elder statesmen playing one of the greatest matches I've ever seen when both were supposed to be washed up in the final match of the last slam of the year in what would be the final singles match of Sampras' professional career. I'll take that moment as representative of the height of American tennis on the international scene. The ones you mentioned were INDIVIDUAL, not NATIONAL achievements.


Ok smarty pants!

2003, 2005.. whatever, its not like I raped you!
I run a successful plumbing business, so I know what Im talkin about in cycling!
You need to go to a successful drug center!
2003 was more exciting, cause Lance could have lost that Tour..
When Lance got knocked down by the little girl.. Even Lance said, oh there goes the Tour..
But Lance got back on his bike, got pushed by a random French guy, and then showed us what Texans are all about.. He gets back the gap from Urlich, AND THEN, puts him in the dust and beats him by 40 seconds..
The look was cool.. But as an american, I'd rather see pettle to the mettle!

Spain is not invincible.. They lost to freakin swizerland! and won all their games 1-nil!
Not to mention Fernando Torres, their best hit man, has disappeared..
Spain is very good but, come on, they are very vulnerable..
I mean Portugal beat them 5-nil, the other day..

ok ok ok ok..American sports.. but what is different from the 2002 final, than the 1995 final???
Ill tell you scotty! 1995 was by far and away a higher quality tennis match, with more on the line..
Agassi was so heart broken he disappeared for 4 years!


Why are you even bringing up 1995 when you limited it to the last 12 years? And the issue is not is Spain looking invincible today, the issue is 2 years ago (when it most certainly did). As to the cycling mistake, I thought you were legitimately talking about 2005 and got y our facts wrong. Comparing that to rape, tsk tsk, Frog.

And to go back to the women's WC, that was a HUGE moment on the international stage. It was a landmark moment for women's soccer, and it was an American team and an American woman at the pinnacle. Between rape and dissing the women's WC, did someone dump you recently? What's with all the woman hate?

OK, summary time. Lance's look in 2001 was a better moment on the international scene, even if the other was a greater moment for HIM. Same thing applies to the 2002 US Open final. Women's soccer DOES matter, and Brandi Chastain's moment is to a large extent WHY. Spain looked unbeatable in 2009, and the U.S., who gets no respect whatsoever in men's soccer, defeated them to make this counties first ever FIFA tournament final.

You have individual accomplishments, I have national moments.

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March 8, 2011  05:54 PM ET

Have some thoughts, but will wait until right's argument is posted....

March 9, 2011  04:13 PM ET

Women's world cup win was one of my add-ins. Admittedly, women's soccer is not as big of a stage as the men's, but that moment was huge...

Also might have added the USA Basketball team returning to the winners' podium in '08

March 9, 2011  05:10 PM ET

Clarify Frog! Agassi completed the career Grand Slam, not an actual Grand Slam.

March 9, 2011  05:30 PM ET

I think USMNT's 2002 performance was a greater achievement than their Conf Cup defeat of Spain.......

March 9, 2011  07:37 PM ET

Great list on both sides.
My vote goes to noydbyj for a couple of reasons:
1) US Soccer. I agree it was great for the US getting in quarter finals in 2002. But there are always some team that we call "zebras" that goes as far as the quarter Finals. But beating Spain was a sure wake up call to the world that solidified US status as someone not to be taken lightly anymore.
2) Sampras-Agassi game beats each single accomplishments (although the Agassi one was amazing).

In any event, I know it is easier to pick the list second, as you can "up one". But as the arguments are so close, the list was the way i picked the winner.

Good job to both!

March 9, 2011  07:54 PM ET

Where's the 1980 Olympics Hockey Gold Metal Win???!!!

March 9, 2011  08:12 PM ET

That was in the past 12 years????

March 9, 2011  08:19 PM ET
QUOTE(#7):

Where's the 1980 Olympics Hockey Gold Metal Win???!!!

Exactly, arguably the greatest American international sports event!

March 9, 2011  10:48 PM ET
QUOTE(#7):

Where's the 1980 Olympics Hockey Gold Metal Win???!!!

If this TD was occurring in 1992, this would make more sense.

March 10, 2011  01:13 AM ET
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Exactly, arguably the greatest American international sports event!

Not exactly.

1980 was 31 years ago, not 12.

March 10, 2011  02:52 AM ET
QUOTE(#11):

Not exactly. 1980 was 31 years ago, not 12.

oh, stupid, i didn't even see that....my apologies everyone...

March 10, 2011  06:36 AM ET
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someone dial 911..fire burning fire burning on the dance floor

The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire
We don't need no water
Let the...


Armstrong still has a cloud over his head so he wouldn't make my list. And you guys seem to have something against winter sports. Some fine American Olympians have had success in Salt Lake City, Turin and Vancouver and none of them made your respective lists. If you mention Michael Phelps, you have to give some consideration to winter athletes (Davis, Miller, Vonn, etc.)

March 10, 2011  12:21 PM ET
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The roof, the roof, the roof is on fireWe don't need no waterLet the...Armstrong still has a cloud over his head so he wouldn't make my list. And you guys seem to have something against winter sports. Some fine American Olympians have had success in Salt Lake City, Turin and Vancouver and none of them made your respective lists. If you mention Michael Phelps, you have to give some consideration to winter athletes (Davis, Miller, Vonn, etc.)

Thought about speed skating and Vonn. I watched both avidly. Ohno, too. The sad fact is winter sports just do not have the same stature, and I didn't want to get tagged with too much of a recent bias.

March 10, 2011  07:27 PM ET

Leaving out Shawn White at the 2010 Olympics? Shame on both of you.

March 10, 2011  08:24 PM ET
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That was in the past 12 years????

My bad!!! Missed the within last 12 years part. That will teach me not to finish reading sentences.

March 10, 2011  08:26 PM ET

....I now return you to your regularly scheduled TD....

March 10, 2011  09:05 PM ET
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My bad!!! Missed the within last 12 years part. That will teach me not to finish reading sentences.

you and me both...

 
March 10, 2011  09:32 PM ET
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you and me both...

Don't feel bad guys. I almost did too!

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