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  • 03/15/2011, 02:42PM ET

Take losers and win!

BringThePain (9-16-1) vs rsp (17-9-1)
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Make an NBA team out of the the NBA teams that would be out of the playoffs if the season ended today. You must take a starting 5, 2 bench players and a coach.

The teams you can use are Charlotte, Milwaukee, Detroit, N.J., Toronto, Washington, Cleveland, Utah, Houston, Phoenix, LA Clippers, Golden State, Minnesota, Sacramento.

PG- D. Williams
SG- Monta Ellis
SF- Blake Griffin
PF- Kevin Love
C- Andrew Bogut

Bench- Steve Nash
Bench- Tayshaun Prince

Coach- Avery Johnson

Argue the next two.

BRING THE PAIN


changes:
SF: Grant Hill
C: Al Jefferson
BE (replacing prince): Griffin

First off, Blake Griffen is not a SF. To put his there is stupid. He is not, nor can he play SF. Grant hill however, is a veteran SF who is shooting .485% with 13.4 PPG. He is solid defensively and a good rebounder. I still have griffin on the bench to come in at the PF or C position.

Al Jefferson vs Andrew bogut:
AJ:
PPG: 18.9 RPG: 9.5 BPG: 2.0 APG: 1.6 TO: 1.3 FG%: .499 FT%: .774
AB:
PPG: 12.5 RPG: 11.3 BPG: 2.7 APG: 2 TO: 1.9 FG% .483 FT%: .418

Yes Bogut is better defensively and on the boards, but Jefferson is far better Offensively. he scores more, and is more effective at scoring, he has a better free throw percentage, and you can't just foul him as he is a good free throw shooter. Bogut shoots UNDER 50%!!!!!!!

As for the bench, I have somebody to play every position but SF, but that is better than having nobody to play PF or C like you.

All of my changes benefit me.


"First off, Blake Griffen is not a SF. To put his there is stupid. He is not, nor can he play SF."

First off, Blake Griffin is not only capable enough to play SF, he would be a better SF than C. He is fast, powerful and athletic enough to play the 3, 4, or 5 spots. If Lamar Odom can play the 3 and 4, surely Griffin can!

But we can do it your way, I will bench Griffin for Prince and still have you beat. I am a fan of Grant "Over The" Hill but I would take Griffin, Prince or Kirilenko long before I would take Hill at this stage in his career. Here are the #s.

Prince- PPG 14.2 RPG 4.5 APG 2.7 SPG 0.3 BPG 0.6 FG% 0.471 FT% 0.678 3P% 0.382 MPG 33.2

Hill- PPG 13.4 RPG 4.4 APG 2.5 SPG 0.8 BPG 0.5 FG% 0.484 FT% 0.845 3P% 0.385
MPG 30.5

Prince has more PPG, more RPG, more APG, moer BPG and more minutes per game. Not to metion younger and capable of gaurding a 2, 3 or 4. Dont discount defensive flexability. Even when Detriot was winning, Prince always gaurded the opponents best player.

So give me Griffin and get owned or give me Prince and still lose.

BRING THE PAIN


I have sent a draw offer, my grandfather is probably not going to last the night and if he passes as he most likely will I will not be able to finish this. If you have a heart then you will accept it.

I will finish this argument regardless.

Hill vs Prince:
Prince may have more PPG, RPG, APG, and BPG, but they are all by a small margin. There is essentially no difference and the extra for Prince can be attributed to those extra minutes he plays. using 36 minutes stats those stats are all equal or Hill is better. Looking at FG% and FT% it shows that Hill is the more efficient scorer. That and he is a better defender averaging more SPG.

Hill can guard the SG or SF position, as well as some of the smaller PFs in the league. but face it, neither of these guys could guard our power forwards.

He scores about even, but is more efficient. he shoots a higher FG%, FT%, and 3pt%. he may score less but I would take a higher percentage over a higher volume.

Grant may be old but he still has it. and if you bring in Griffin at SF I will do the same.

March 15, 2011  02:45 PM ET

How many changes are you looking for?

March 15, 2011  02:47 PM ET

Blake Griffin isn't a SF and doesn't ever play it either. He plays PF and some C.

March 15, 2011  02:51 PM ET

SF is being changed..

March 15, 2011  02:54 PM ET

Huge swing and a miss at Center...

March 15, 2011  02:58 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

Huge swing and a miss at Center...

You thinking Robin Lopez too?

March 15, 2011  02:59 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

You thinking Robin Lopez too?

or Jefferson...

March 15, 2011  03:03 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

or Jefferson...

Or Mcgee...

March 15, 2011  03:03 PM ET

Ill still take Bogut because Ive also got Love to play there too.

March 15, 2011  03:03 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

You thinking Robin Lopez too?

Wrong first name.

March 15, 2011  03:03 PM ET
QUOTE(#7):

Or Mcgee...

Kwame Brown

March 15, 2011  03:04 PM ET
QUOTE(#7):

Or Mcgee...

nvm..

March 15, 2011  03:05 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

Wrong first name.

Brook doesn't rebound enough though..

March 15, 2011  03:06 PM ET
QUOTE(#12):

Brook doesn't rebound enough though..

Yes.

March 15, 2011  03:07 PM ET
QUOTE(#12):

Brook doesn't rebound enough though..

maybe Jefferson.

March 15, 2011  03:08 PM ET
QUOTE(#7):

Or Mcgee...

March 15, 2011  03:19 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

or Jefferson...

Yeah he forgot to add a couple of none playoff teams up there.

March 15, 2011  03:22 PM ET

Who did I forget?

March 15, 2011  04:05 PM ET
QUOTE(#17):

Who did I forget?

Sorry just the Jazz.

March 15, 2011  04:08 PM ET
QUOTE(#18):

Sorry just the Jazz.

He said Utah

 
March 15, 2011  04:20 PM ET

PG: D.Williams
SG: Eric Gordon
SF: AK-47
PF: Kevin Love
C: Al Jefferson

Bench: Blake Griffin
Bench: Monte Ellis

Coach: Larry Brown

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