- 03/21/2011, 12:28AM ET
ohio state and cleveland fan said 03/21, 03:01 PM
It seems like every year the Big East is hyped up by the talking heads at ESPN, as well their own fanbase, as the best conference to ever exist in the history of college basketball. Despite zero national titles since 2004, the Big East maintains an aura as a vastly superior conference compared to the ACC, Big 10, and Big 12. In every tournament since 2004, the Big East has been either first (4), tied for tied for first (1) or second (1) in bids, with nothing to show for it. In fact, the Big East has managed to have only 4 Final Four and 0 Title game appearance since 2004.
This season marked the height of the Big East lovefest. The conference was awarded 11 tournament spots, including 9 Top 6 seeds. If the Big East was as amazing as its supporters suggest, surely the conference was well represented at the Sweet 16?
#4 Louisville, #6 St John's, and #6 Georgetown all lost in the first round. More embarrassingly, #1 Pitt and #2 Notre Dame lost in the second round, with Notre Dame getting handled easily by a 10 seed.
All this leads to one fact: The Big East is completely overrated, and will continue to fail on the big stage.
[The] Coach said 03/21, 04:27 PM
It is hard to defend 11 teams making the brackets but you are going just a tad overboard calling the Big East crap. I am an ACC fan and I am not gonna buy that.
You can't blame ESPN, sports media and fans for 11 teams getting in the tourney. The NCAA tournament committee did that and to be honest, with good reason. The Big East had 11 teams with over 20 wins and they all had ranked teams all over their schedule. What are you going to do? If you keep one of those teams out you have to justify the replacements and there aren't that many teams out there with resumes even close. The ACC was down this year and was largely dominated by Duke and UNC and the SEC was down by it's own standards as well.
We all understand that the ACC and SEC are the big dogs in college basketball and their championships back that up. Since 1990, these two conferences have dominated with 13 of the 21 NCAA tourneys. (ACC-8 and SEC-5) Guess who is third? The crappy Big East with 3, in fact all 3 are in the last 12 years which is 25%.
The Pac 10 has 2 since 1990 and EVERYBODY else is 1 or less including the Big 12 AND YOUR Big 10. One each for Kansas and Mich State.
ohio state and cleveland fan said 03/22, 12:49 PM
For the record, I don't think the Big East is actually crap. That was just the catchy title.
So what you are basically saying is that the Big East is comparable to the ACC and SEC? THAT ALL THREE CONFERENCES ARE NEAR EQUAL? Thats what I'm saying. The Big East isn't miles ahead of the rest of college basketball like the fans and pundits would have you believe.
Rankings are opinions. When a certain conference, such as the Big East, is overrated, that is reflected in both seedings and rankings. When a conference has a one or two seed in the NCAA tournament 10 times since 2004 and NEVER makes the national title game, that conference is overrated, especially when it is assumed that conference is the best in basketball.
And you rip on the Big 10 and Big 12, but at least those conferences have actually appeared in the title game since 2004 and won a championship. Thats better than the Big East can say.
Fact is, Big East teams gain an inflated ranking based on supposed conference superiority. These teams, as well as the conference as a whole are then exposed in March Madness for what they are: overrated, and don't perform up to expectations. Ever.
[The] Coach said 03/22, 03:45 PM
First, let me point out that my 1st argument clearly states the ACC and SEC are hands down the two best conferences most seasons. Error #1 on your part.
- The Big East had 11 teams with winning records AND 20+ wins. NO other conference came even close to that number. The most by an other is 6.
- The Big East was 34-19 against teams that made the NCAA Tourney. No other conference can say that. The ACC? (19-29) Wins included Sweet 16 teams, Duke, Wisconsin and Butler.
- The Big East had the Best RPI and Strength of Schedule Ratings of any conference in the country.
- The Big East may not have had a "great" team but they hands down had more "good" teams than anyone else. There are only a handful of "great" teams to begin with, this year maybe just 3. (Duke, OSU and Kansas)
- Two of their NCAA losses came at the hands of another Big East team. Had that not been the case, they might well have 4 teams left and we aren't having this debate.
I ask, who do you replace them with? Georgia? (NO significant non-conference wins) Maybe Colorado but they only have 1 significant non conference win (Texas) Even so, that would leave them with (9) and that is more than anyone else!
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