- 03/25/2011, 12:58PM ET
Double J. said 03/25, 12:58 PM
This is a group of talented players who were pretty stellar at Michigan, true.
They introduced the "street-ball/long, baggy shorts" mentality to college basketball, true.
They came close to winning a national title, true.
However, the need to keep celebrating these guys is grating on me.
They talked alot of trash about winning multiple titles and won none.
They talked trash about Duke but never beat them once.
I don't feel sorry for them or Chris Webber regarding the "time out" incident because Webber traveled and it should have been a turnover right there anyway.
Even if Webber doesn't call that faux timeout there's no guarantee they win that game at all. I'm not saying that the "30 for 30" ESPN special was undeserved; it definitely was deserved.
However, why do we keep hearing about the "Fab Five" when a group like Texas Western, who truly broke a barrier down, should be getting way more attention?
Again, what title did Michigan actually win with the "Fab Five"? Besides the UNC title game loss they were blown out by Duke the year before.
Let's not forget the scandal that embroiled the program regarding the Fab Five that caused UM to forfeit wins.
Uppercut said 03/25, 01:39 PM
First of all, I am not sure what you mean by "we keep hearing" about them? I mean, before the Fab Five documentary, I hadn't really heard anything about them at all, for a very long time.
That said, I think what you are not understanding is the way media works. Scandal sells. Plain and simple. Nobody wants to tune in and watch or hear about Mr. Nice Guy doing charity work, and hitting jumpers and dishing dimes, and winning titles. No, they want highlight reel dunks, flashy passes, selfish attitudes, thuggish behavior, etc.
Look at the sports world right now.
#1 basketball player, as far as attention: Lebron. Never won a ring, but he gets clicks, and sells jerseys. Nobody cares about Dwight Howard, unless he gets 2 tech's and is tossed from a game.
#1 talked about hockey play: The Chara hit. Not the fact that Wayne Gretzky showed up to coach a youth hockey team last weekend. Not scandalous enough.
Baseball? Barry Bonds is getting the most clicks and facetime right now.
While the 5 never accomplished the main goal, they captivated the country with controversial story lines, and swagger.
And I haven't even got to the racial storyline yet....
Double J. said 03/25, 02:53 PM
It's not even so much that we hear about them ALL the time but I'm just tired of the mystique and intrigue about them. The scandal and everything that happened unfolded so long ago; everyone knows the details and has for a long time now.
Everyone knows about Webber and the time out...it's all played out and has been for years now. I'm sure Webber is even sick of all the attention about it to this day.
And if every non-UM fan wants to hear about all the negative occurrences and non-title winning then how come the 20 point title game loss to Duke isn't expanded on more?
Besides, mystique should be held for title-winning teams/franchises and maybe the one exception is the Buffalo Bills who lost 4 straight SB's (which is harder to do than winning one, IMHO).
Besides, other than the timeout by Webber and the 2 title game losses doesn't it seem like we've seen this story before?
Agents, corruption, gambling, swagger, race...?
Why hasn't UNLV gotten the same attention from their Larry Johnson-led teams? I mean, at least they won a title and it was in impressive fashion over a very good Duke team who captured Duke's first national title the next season.
Uppercut said 03/25, 04:25 PM
"It's not even so much that we hear about them ALL the time but I'm just tired of the mystique and intrigue about them."
What's more intriguing in college basketball than 5 freshmen taking a team to the championship game? That is extremely intriguing and especially rare. That is an amazing accomplishment in itself,even putting aside the scandalous behavior.
And when I mention the race factor, I am referring to the times. Dr. Dre and gangster rap was in it's pop culture peak, and the "gangsta" swag was the hip,trend at the time. These 5 kids defined that culture. It was,at the time, questionable clothing causing all kinds of banning in schools,universities, and work places.
The Larry Johnson led UNLV teams were not 5 freshmen,would be the immediate thought on why it isn't as captivating a story.
Sometimes winning gets trumped by storyline. In football, the Patriots were a dynasty. They received attention, but it took a scandal for the attention to hit mega heights. Same with everything. Favre's 24 hour coverage began after he flip-flopped his retirement, and he began to become a pop caricature of himself. He is remembered for that more than his SB win.
Uppercut said 03/26, 08:39 PM
That's too bad...had a good one going. Hope all is well.
I guess the whole meaning to my previous arguments is simple:
1. 5 freshmen leading a basketball team to a National Title game is worthy of all the "hype" the Fab 5 receive itself. Taking them back the very next year makes it even more impressive.
2. The connection with pop culture at the time is important to long standing legacies. In the height of gangsta rap, west coast gang violence, and it's whole entrance to the main stream, made this collection of 5 youths entertaining and intriguing.
3. Scandal sells. The early 90's was the slow beginning of ESPN's fall into yellow journalism, where views and ratings began trumping actual stories. Nobody wants to watch the Colts or Patriots on Hard Knocks, they want the Cowboys, or the Jets and other obnoxious characters. It's been like that for a while now, and the Fab 5 oozed it.
4. They produced 3 very good, and in C-Webb's case perennial All Star, NBA players. The scandals followed them there.
While their championship success may not echo their longevity in the "spotlight", their cultural and historical ones have. And that happens a lot,as well.
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