- 04/03/2011, 11:43AM ET
J-Business said 04/03, 02:03 PM
To answer the first part: The Magic will not win a title and they will lose in the playoffs
Next: Yes, they should trade Dwight Howard
If there's anything that we've learned from the situation of LeBron, Carmelo, D-Williams and soon Chris Paul, it's that superstar players don't want to stay in a small market w/o a title.
Throw away the numbers.
We know he's an all world player.
Will they have to trade him? Probably not.
The new CBA may give owners the ability to use the franchise tag and keep him, or make it difficult to sign elsewhere.
But the reality is, they're looking at the same situation Cleveland looked at.
Denver and New Jersey were smart. They got a few decent players and look to be in a good position for the future.
Cleveland couldn't separate emotion from reality and got left in the cold.
To make things worse, they're stuck with the contract of Gilbert Arenas who'll be making $20 mil a yr until the 2013-14 season.
Turkoglu is making $11 mil a yr
So throw out the idea of signing top level free agents
They'll trade Howard for a package of draft picks and young players.
Everyone has learned from Cleveland's mistake
Confucius. Trout said 04/03, 03:09 PM
So now whenever there's a superstar up for a new contract, the team should just trade him, because LeBron screwed Cleveland over?
Dwight Howard is the only truly dominant Big man currently in the NBA. He's the perennial defensive player of the year and his offensive game is improving by the minute.
You don't just trade guys like him away.
What happens if he shows that he's willing to re-sign? Do you still trade him?
And why are you so sure the Magic will be eliminated from the play-offs? I think they match up well with the other powers in the East.
Miami has no interior D, Dwight could have a huge series like he did against Cleveland a few years ago.
Boston traded Perk away who was one of the few guys who could defend Dwight 1 on 1, now they're depending on Shaq and a soft KG (yeah, I said it).
Remember, this was a team who swept through the play-offs last year, before running into Boston and have been to the finals recently. It's not like Dwight is stuck on a team that hasn't had success.
Teams should wait before they go around trading their best players just because they're a year away from free agency.
J-Business said 04/03, 03:51 PM
If a star player is up for a new contract and
A) There are "rumors" that he might opt out
B) He complains about the team and its direction
C) It's a small market team
D) Other teams in the conference are loading up on superstars
Then yes, that team should trade their star player.
Yes, LeBron's decision had a lot to do with it.
At the same time, it's similar to what we've always seen from NBA players who let it be known where they wanted to go, for ex.
Shaq in Orlando
Kobe (when he was drafted)
There's a reason why we hear these "rumors" about players opting out. The player let's a few people in his inner circle know how he feels, they let it leak and see where it goes.
Orlando is a decent team but their main problem now is that they're locked into big contracts with Arenas and Turkoglu
They're stuck like this for the next few yrs
The East has gotten much better and Orlando is still in the middle of the pack (4th).
Chicago and Miami will be there - Boston will reload
Philly, Atlanta and the Knicks all with decent teams
Teams will make Orlando some very good offers
As i said before, Orlando will learn from the Cav's mistake
Confucius. Trout said 04/03, 04:15 PM
Yeah, so every time there's a rumor circulating teams should just give in and trade their super star..... Wait...... That's an awful thing to do
Rumors are just that, rumors. They generally don't have any basis in fact, no real evidence to support them, and are only talked about to stir up interest.
To base the future of your franchise on rumors is just silly.
Orlando is just decent?
They've made deep play-off runs each of the past 2 seasons, and they're the 4 seed in the eastern conference. That's pretty damn good.
Did the Cavs really make a mistake? They tried to keep a player that made them a title contender, I don't consider that a mistake, I consider that trying to do what's best for your franchise.
Think about the bigger consequences to a deal like this. Do you know what team is close to Orlando? The Heat. You don't think a bunch of fans would take a look at a Howardless Magic and then look at the Big 3 and then decide to become Heat fans? They will.
Is that really what's best for your franchise? No.
Keep Howard, try to win a title, if he leaves, he leaves, but at-least you didn't just give up.
J-Business said 04/04, 04:24 PM
I'll say this
1 year from now, the Magic will once again be a 3rd or 4th seed. If they're smart they'll trade Howard and get something in return.
Howard will automatically make another team the a top 3 championship contender. He knows this, Orlando knows this and the league knows it.
Orlando won't want to trade him, but they'll be forced.
Give it a try for what? That's how GM's and team presidents get fired. Don't get caught up in emotions. This is a business.
Orlando is a good distance from Miami, they're fans won't all of a sudden become Heat fans. The reality is that, the Magic are stuck with overpriced players, and it's not their best.
Either they'll trade Howard with a healthy return, or they'll lose him
Confucius. Trout said 04/05, 03:13 AM
"Howard will automatically make another team the a top 3 championship contender."
Now here's my question about that. Why be so willing to trade a player who makes you a top 3 champonship contender? Can't have your cake and eat it to, if the Magic keep Howard they'll be a top 3 championship contender.
Why are you so sure they'll lose him? Has Howard said he's leaving? Has he been dropping the hints like LeBron was? No. In fact, I don't even recall Howard discussing his future.
Howard seems happy in Orlando, good team, is allowed to be himself. And as CubanMissle pointed out in the comment section, Howard gets plenty of exposure in Orlando. Commercials all over the place (can't turn on a basketball game without seeing that Gatorade ad).
Think of the Magic's future with out Howard. This isn't (overrated) Carmelo Anthony we're talking about, we're talking about a dominant force on both sides of the ball. The Magic aren't going to get fair value, they will become a bad/mediocre team without Howard no matter what, the least they can do is fight to keep him.
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