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NHL Hart Trophy
PatsFan21 said 04/05, 03:55 PM
Who should win the Hart?
I've got Anaheim winger, Corey Perry.
Corey Perry has simply done it all for the Ducks this year. He leads the team in ice time among forwards. He's expanded his role on the team this year and is now the team's top penalty killer.
Perry leads the NHL in goals and unless Stamkos suddenly ends his drought and catches fire, Perry will win the Rocket Richard Trophy. Perry is currently 3rd in the NHL in points and is just one point behind St. Louis for 2nd.
Perry has also been Mr. Clutch this year for the Ducks. He leads the NHL in 3rd period goals. He also leads the NHL in goals that have tied the game or put the Ducks ahead. When the Ducks need him the most, he has come through for them.
The Ducks have gone through their share of injuries this year. Top Line center Ryan Getzlaf went down for 14 games earlier in the year. The Ducks went 10-4 without him. Who led the team in goals, points and ice time (forwards)? Corey Perry. Who ripped off a 7 game scoring streak when Selanne went down? Corey Perry.
Simply put Perry has done it all for the Ducks this year and is the most deserving candidate for the Hart.
Good Luck Sabeeh
Sabih said 04/05, 11:41 PM
My choice : Daniel Sedin
This is not Vancouver Canuck homerism, I hate the Canucks but what Daniel is doing this year has been amazing.
For me the decision for the MVP comes down to player success + team success + how it ties together.
Daniel has a league leading 100 points , 41 G and 59 A.
I also argue you calling Perry Mr Clutch, as Daniel leads the league in GWG with 10
He has been consistent. He has been held pointless 17 times this year. That might seem like a big number but Corey Perry has been held pointless 27 times this year.
Team Success without a doubt goes to Daniel. The Canucks have clinched the President's Trophy. Sure VAN has more talent but they have been the best team this year and Daniel has been their best player.
The Ducks sit tied for 7th right now and could miss the playoffs with Dallas and Calgary only 2 points back with 3 games to go. A very real possibility as their remaining games are against playoff teams.
If the Ducks hold onto 7th place. That will be the lowest seed to produce an MVP since Jose Theodore won it in 01-02 playing for the 8th seeded Habs.
PatsFan21 said 04/06, 01:03 AM
While team success usually factor's into MVP voting, it shouldn't.
Remember, this is the most valuable PLAYER. Anaheim being in 7th place is irrelevant. The Ducks would be no where near a playoff spot without Perry. He does everything for the team and is by the far their most important player.
Daniel does not lead the league in GWG, as you stated earlier. Ovechkin leads the league in GWG. Daniel Sedin is tied for second. Who is he tied with? Corey Perry.
You can't call Sedin very clutch. Perry leads the league in 3rd period goals, Sedin is way down on the list (tied for 18th).
Vancouver's success has a lot more to it than Daniel Sedin. They have last year's Hart winner Henrik Sedin, Ryan Kesler, a stellar defense, and one of the league's best goalies, plus scary deep forwards. To say Daniel Sedin is the reason for the success is crazy.
It's been said that Vancouver has 3 Hart candidates, the Sedins and Kesler. Well if all 3 have a case of candidacy, then how are any of them candidates?
Simply put, Vancouver would be in first place with or without D. Sedin. Without Perry, the Ducks would already have been eliminated playoff contention. That shows true value.
Sabih said 04/06, 02:32 PM
I got the GWG stat from hockey reference who has him tied for 1 w/ Perry and Ovie.
Besides how do you call a guy 2nd on the GWG (not very clutch)
I think you call a guy who is held pointless 27 times not clutch.
http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/p/perryco01/gamelog/2011/
It's been said that Vancouver has 3 Hart candidates
Kesler is a Hart Candidate? He has 69 points. That is less than Getzlaf.
Perry has talent around him, he is not playing with bums.
Ducks Top 5 point producers
Perry 93 points
Selanne 76 points
Getzlaf 71 points
Ryan 68 points
Visnovsky 66 points
Canucks Top 5
D Sedin 100 points
H Sedin 92 points (73 assists, only 19 goals)
Kesler 69 points
Samuelsson 50 points
Ehrhoff 49 points
The Canucks have depth but it Daniel is the main guy.
Team success
With Perry, they are barely hanging onto a playoff spot.
If D Sedin was not there, the Canucks would not be the best team in NHL (points wise). They would not have clinched the President's Trophy.
Also, its harder to take a team to first in the league than 7th in the conference and struggling to make the playoffs.
PatsFan21 said 04/06, 03:29 PM
Since when is points the only thing that determines the Hart?
Kesler is arguably more important that Daniel. The Canucks have plenty of guys to put the puck in the net.
When did I say Perry was playing with bums? I said Perry has been the lone consistent forward in a group of injuries and inconsistency. As i said, Getzlaf missed 14 games. Selanne missed 10. Perry carried the team to wins and goals through their absences.
You credit all of Vancouver's success to Daniel and thats ridiculous. The 'Nucks would be in first place regardless of Daniel. Henrik Sedin won the Hart just last year. Kesler is capable of 80+ points but thats not his role. Daniel is replacable with Vancouver.
But where would the Ducks be without Perry? Leading scorer with 76 points? How would that 14 game stretch without Getzlaf look? 3 Game winning goals for Perry. Averaged more than a point per game. The Ducks would already be done without Perry. The Canucks would be in first without D. Sedin.
Your GWG stat is wrong. Perry and Sedin are tied for 2nd.
Perry does it all, penalty kill, power play, scores, hits, fights, and has carried the Ducks.
Sedin does less with more help.
Sabih said 04/07, 01:07 PM
I never said Sedin is the sole reason for the Canucks success but he is the most important reason they sit atop the league standings. He is producing at a very high level.
Kesler is arguably more important that Daniel
Seiously? The guy with a 30 points less is somehow more valuable. Its not as if Kesler adds grit or does something that different. His role is similar to that of Daniel, to score goals.
Kesler has had a good season but to say he is more important than Daniel is wrong.
Daniel is replacable with Vancouver.
Again, seriously? The league's leading point scorer is replaceable. By who? There are very few players that are in the category of Daniel Sedin. I am talking about Ovie, Stamkos, Sid etc. But very few of them are producing like Daniel has been this year.
Last year, Daniel was matching his brother in production and had it not been for injuries, it would have been an extremely close race.
The Canucks would not be first without the production they have received from Daniel.
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gracias. had to give my boy perry some pub. unfortunately, he plays in anaheim, if he played in canada/northeast US hed be the run away winner (although sedin has more points)
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IMO
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I agree with your choice of Perry. Will vote after seeing the other argument, if any.
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I agree. I also agree with the choice. I think he is the clear winner, personally. While Stamkos,Ward and even Thomas a little bit have been bumpy lately, Perry has led the Ducks in a huge surge post-playoffs. He has been the best player in the league the last 3 months, hands down.
But Sabeeh can bring some good debate. I am interested who he picks this time.
I actually have a sleeper pick that I know won't be selected, and has no buzz at all, but he is like Kevin Garnett to the 2008 Celtics, not a huge stat buster, but clearly the absolute definition of "Most Valuable Player"
Zdeno Chara.
Where would Boston be without their Captain? Not 100+ points and a top 3 seed.
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When you're 79 games into an 82 game season and your team still hasn't clinched a playoff berth, you're not in "clear winner" territory yet. He's been on a crazy run lately (only second to Crosby earlier this season) but the award might hinge on that playoff spot. (I can't ever remember a non playoff guy winning it).
Chara deserves another Norris this year. I hope politics don't stand it the way.
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Yoda-(this stupid site has a blog bar blocking my copy comment option)
While in most cases I agree with you assertion that his team's overall performance should clear him of a "hands down" status, I believe the lack of a clear front runner this year, and his complete "get on my back boys!" play the last couple of months clears him to win the award. That said, yes, if they somehow miss the playoffs it kills his chances. But right now, he is the hands down winner, and that is just my opinion.
On the Chara side, yes, he should and will win another Norris. If he doesn't, it will be a literal robbery. The NHL cannot let a bunch of angry, whiny group of "fans" keep them from keeping him from basically a HOF guarantee. One can argue if it wasn't for the all time great Lindstrom being in this era, Chara might have won 4 or 5 of those.
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Chara?
The biggest upside is his plus/minus and he has Timmy behind him for goodness sakes...More than half his goals are on the power play and I'm sorry, but his biggest asset is his wing span because he sure doesn't move that well.
Anyway...getting off topic...but a very good candidate even with a down year for himself is O.V.
He has carried the Caps into 1st place on his back recently and tons of injuries to his team.
But between these two...I'll wait and see how you guys bring it.
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The hell with arguments. There is no argument.
Perry.
I'll even vote right now.
Hank Kingsley
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Where would the Habs be without Price?
Price is more valuable than Chara.
Argos.
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Yandle, Lidstrom, and Chara are in a tight three-man race for the Norris.
I give Chara the slight edge over Yandle.
Argos.
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If not for Lidstrom, Niedermayer would have at least 5, IMO.
Chara I don't think would have 4 or 5. He was great in Ottawa, but he wasn't the leagues best and in some years wasn't even his teams best (Redden). At best, if not for Lidstrom he could have won 2 more, but that might be a stretch.
Argos.
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Although, when talking most valuable, I always think a goalie should win. Goalies are the most valuable players...but that might just be the goalie in me talking.
Argos.
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If I were to rank the Hart nominees, I'd go:
1 - Price
2 - Rinnie
3 - Perry
4- Toews
5 - Stamkos
Daniel isn't most valuable when the team has Hank and Kesler on it.
Argos.
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Although, Daniel will win it.
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Agree there.
Hank Kingsley
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Highly over-rated if you think that.
Good but not great.
Hank Kingsley
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Anyone using GWG in their argument should simply forfeit since they clearly have no understanding of the game.
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Fleury isn't even most valuable goalie in his own division. How the hell can you justify Hart consideration with anything but pure homerism.
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