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  • 04/08/2011, 12:43PM ET

It's time for Pete Rose to be in the Hall of Fame.

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He didn't take steroids (Bonds, Clemens, etc), smuggle drugs into the country (Cepeda), he bet on baseball like millions of others, he admitted it, and has lived with it for over 20 yrs, it's time to forgive, put it behind and move on.


There is one golden rule in baseball that everyone knows that if they break, they are out for life.

Don't bet on the game.

It's that simple, but Rose couldn't resist it.

Not only did he bet on the game, but be bet on his own team as he was a manager. He was in the perfect place to manipulate the game to attempt to win his bets and destroy the integrity of the game for his own self interests.

He lied about it for 15 years. He never accepted responsibility for his actions. He could have come clean, had the tearful moment on Oprah and just moved on and everyone would have been, "awwww, see, Pete is really sorry", and he would have gotten into the Baseball HOF.

Nope. Instead he tried the denial route. The Dowd report in 1989 wasn't enough.

The Dowd Report documented his alleged bets on 52 Reds games in 1987, where Rose wagered a minimum of $10,000 a day.

Pete Rose stating in an interview with Jim Gray, "I'm not going to admit to something that didn't happen." No responsibility taken there.

Also, the Black Sox nearly ruined baseball in 1919 with a betting scandal.

Sorry Pete, you ain't getting in without a ticket.


Forfeited Turn


For years and years, he basically declared he didn't do anything wrong. He'd deny it to anyone who asked him. Then, he writes a book with opportunity to make more money, and suddenly, the words "I made a mistake". Mistake? Really? A mistake is driving 5 MPH over the limit. His behavior wasn't a mistake, it was over and over, for months and possibly years.

He "admits" to what he did almost 15 years after what he did. Almost. Why almost? Well, you are eligible for the HOF for 15 years after you leave the game. Coincidence? I don't think so.

He spends the days leading up to the induction of new players into the HOF in Cooperstown trying to hawk people for more money for his memorabilia. He thinks so little of the game that he feels no shame in spending the HOF weekend trying to make it about him, when it isn't.

Pete Rose is about Pete Rose and nothing else. It isn't about the game. He sees the HOF as a chance to put more $$$ into his pocket.

If you let Rose into the HOF, basically you are saying that he is above the game. No player is above the game, no matter how they behave.


Forfeited Turn


So much for this....

April 8, 2011  12:52 PM ET

haven't seen this one before....

April 8, 2011  01:05 PM ET
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haven't seen this one before....

Yes, original.
and right wins barring a forfeit or mental deficiency.

April 8, 2011  01:21 PM ET

Vote right.

April 8, 2011  01:40 PM ET

He didn't killl anybody either but he DID bet on baseball and that's the big cardinal sin as far as MLB is concerned. His records are in but he has to buy a ticket at the door.

April 8, 2011  01:42 PM ET

He made wagers did he change the outcome of a game with his betting did the World Series get changed was any games rigged or thrown because of this No,No,No.....Pete Rose belongs in Cooperstown in the Hall of Fame it's time and it should be done now.....

April 8, 2011  01:50 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

He made wagers did he change the outcome of a game with his betting did the World Series get changed was any games rigged or thrown because of this No,No,No.....Pete Rose belongs in Cooperstown in the Hall of Fame it's time and it should be done now.....

it is safe to say that he did change the outcome of games, it is very safe to say that.

April 8, 2011  01:53 PM ET

Very short and weak 1st arg. Bonds and Clemens aren't in the Hall either so it's lame comparison.
And Rose "admitted it" only after being blatantly caught. And even after than, he continued to lie to the baseball public for years. I see no reason to believe him about what type of bets he made, (and even if I did, it doesn't matter. Betting by a mananger compromises the integrity of the whole sport).
Eff him.

April 8, 2011  01:56 PM ET
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it is safe to say that he did change the outcome of games, it is very safe to say that.

Exactly. And if he'd ever admit that then maybe things would be different.

April 8, 2011  02:02 PM ET

Sorry but you're wrong. Rose will never get in the HOF and doesn't deserve to.

How about asking the guys who played for him what they think of Rose, betting on their games when he was their manager. I'm sure they're second-guessing some of his strategy moves and wondering if he was more motivated by his desire to win his bet, than have his team win the game.

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April 8, 2011  02:29 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

Very short and weak 1st arg. Bonds and Clemens aren't in the Hall either so it's lame comparison.And Rose "admitted it" only after being blatantly caught. And even after than, he continued to lie to the baseball public for years. I see no reason to believe him about what type of bets he made, (and even if I did, it doesn't matter. Betting by a mananger compromises the integrity of the whole sport). Eff him.

2012 will be an interesting ballot.....

April 8, 2011  02:30 PM ET
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Maybe a better comparison would be Mark McGwire, since he's the first notable PED-associated player capable of being on the HoF ballot.Bonds & Clemens aren't yet 5 years removed from their last MLB games.

If they had let Mark McGwire and Raphael Palmeiro breeze right into the HOF (or even if they had received high vote totals), I could see it helping Rose's case.

April 8, 2011  02:30 PM ET
QUOTE(#11):

Maybe a better comparison would be Mark McGwire, since he's the first notable PED-associated player capable of being on the HoF ballot.Bonds & Clemens aren't yet 5 years removed from their last MLB games.

2012

April 8, 2011  02:56 PM ET

Why is today any different than yesterday for Rose?

April 8, 2011  03:37 PM ET

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April 8, 2011  03:54 PM ET

Maybe if he had admitted it right away we'd all feel different. But I'm not sure he belongs now, given the years and years of denial

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April 8, 2011  04:21 PM ET
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2012 will be an interesting ballot.....

Tell that to the Mayans.

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