- 04/08/2011, 06:11PM ET
Serial Dex said 04/08, 06:11 PM
For the sake of this TD, you have to pick 1 of the choices. Pretend they were playing a tournament now as a pair against other pairs. The older player in his prime, the current player NOW in 2011.
- Nicklaus & Els
- Hogan & Lefty
- Palmer & Furyk
- Player & Tiger
Tough choices to be sure, but I'm goin with Hogan and Mickelson.
Hogan has 64 Tour wins. Nicklaus himself said that Hogan was the most complete player he's ever seen. He had amazing drives, short game and was a master with every club in the bag.
In 1953 Hogan did the "Hogan Slam" and I'm not talking Hulkamania in the WWF Peach!
He won 5 of the 6 tournaments he entered, counting all 3 Majors of the year. Hogan played in 292 PGA events and finished in the top 10 a total of 241 times. That's amazing.
He also finished in the top 3 of them 47.6% of the time. How could you want this guy playing in his prime?
Mickelson has been one of the top 3 golfers in the world for a long time. Today he is currently ranked 3rd behind Kaymer and Westwood.
In the past 15 months, he's finished in the top 2 of a tournament 7 times.
Rudedog: Believe The Hype said 04/09, 03:18 AM
Tiger showed me enough today to warrant picking this up. Obviously I'm going with Player and Woods.
It's no doubt that Player is a great....player. But, shockingly, it's Woods with the question marks. But after today, he's shown he still has "it" in him. For so long, many thought he was done, washed up, not getting back to the level of dominance. Today he showed he had that in him still.
Now, am I Tiger is back? Maybe, maybe not. But on the last 10 holes, Tiger shot 8 under. And if that Tiger stays around this time and he can be consistent, this isn't even a contest.
As pointed out in the comments, Golf Magazine had an article come out in 2005 that listed the best players.
Tiger - 2nd
Player - 8th
Hogan - 3rd
Furyk - NR
It's quite obvious that Woods/Player paired together just isn't fair. I realize this was in 2005 when Woods was at the top of his game, but even today, he's got the ability to be the best in the game. And that's not even mentioning the fact that he's Tiger Woods. Regardless of his past performances, he's going to intimidate people.
I'll talk Gary Player next
Serial Dex said 04/09, 09:02 PM
Your 2005 rankings are irrelevant. That was based on Tiger's game 6 years ago.
This year he is currently ranked 7th, which IMO is very giving. He shouldn't even be that high. He's finished 4th three times and 2nd once since the start of the 2010 season.
That's 3 top 5 finishes in 20 tournaments. He only had 1 other finish in the top 10.
Yes Tiger could pick it up at any given moment. It's why I've chosen to include him in the choices for this TD.
However, you can't rely on him to win your tournament. Even in the Masters going on right now, he's tricked us into thinking he could win. After having a solid first round and amazing second round, he followed those 2 rounds up with a 74.
You can't shoot a 74 in the 3rd round and win tournaments.
As for Gary Player, he is indeed a good golfer. However, I don't think he was good as Nicklaus, Palmer or Hogan.
Player has 24 PGA tour wins. That's a fraction of how many Hogan has.
Most of Player's accomplishments have come in the Master's tour. Are you going to pick Player in his prime, or when he is golfing with the old guys? No matter the choice, he doesn't stack up to Hogan
Rudedog: Believe The Hype said 04/10, 02:02 PM
By no means am I relying on current Tiger to win this. I mean, Tiger still has a little work to do, but he has shown those flashes that he is as close as ever to returning to form. I mean, going 8 under in the last 10 holes of a major isn't easy. Only the best of the best can do that.
And Tiger's 74 yesterday could have just as easily been in the 60s. He missed so many putts but mere inches. You would have had to watch Tiger play to realize that wasn't your typical 74 you see from Tiger right now. If he knocked down the putts he just lipped out, we'd be talking about Tiger "being back"
But I haven't even talked about Player. He's a 9-time major winner and was no slouch himself. Stuck in a time period with Palmer and Nicklaus, Player still came away with his fair share of wins. He's certainly a top-10 golfer of all-time.
Pair him with Tiger, who could, at any day, snap back into his old self. He's still Tiger and he still is playing good. He's definitely a top 10 golfer right now. Pairing a top 10 all-time golfer with a current top 10 like Tiger and I just don't see how you pick against him
Serial Dex said 04/11, 12:13 PM
Did you see that amazing shot onto the green Tiger made yesterday? 280 yards on his 2nd shot, to a blind green. He rolls it 10 feet to the pin for a chance at eagle! Amazing.
Then he choked and missed the short putt.
This is the Tiger we've come to see over the past few years. He isn't what he used to be. Flashses of brilliance but mostly mediocrity. To be fair, he finally had a great tourney. It was his best showing in several years IMO.
As for Player, you're right. Nine time Major winner. A mere fraction of what Niclaus, Palmer and Hogan have. Hogan had more than half of that in ONE YEAR. If there is a guy I can take in his prime, Hogan is the guy.
It is easy to say Tiger is one of the best of all time. It's easy to say Tiger was the best in the game for about 10 years straight, that's how good he was. But the key word there is WAS.
He simply isn't money anymore. You can't count on him to win regularly, if even win at all. If you ask me to put my money on Tiger or The Field for any given tourney, I pick the field.
5 years ago? I'd actually bet on Tiger, that's how good he was. Not any more.
Rudedog: Believe The Hype said 04/11, 10:36 PM
You point out Tiger's literal one mishap of the whole day yesterday.
What about the fact that we haven't seen Tiger perform this well in YEARS. Since his car wreck. he hasn't been the same Tiger.
But that eagle putt at the 8th was vintage Tiger. He showed he's back after this weekend performance.
The fist pump was back. The swagger was back.
He never has won a title coming from behind on Sunday, but he is back. His putter worked. His irons worked. His driver worked as well as it has. His wedges worked. Everything is clicking now.
Like they said on ESPN, Tiger is thinking about golf shots now instead of everything else.
Now, Player didn't win as many titles as Palmer, Nicklaus, etc. However, it's a two-some competition. And my two-some of Player/Woods is better than any of the other two-somes. I just don't see how your grouping would match with mine. Mickelson put up a lousy performance this weekend and is going the wrong way.
Tiger? He's certainly going the right way
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