- 04/11/2011, 12:55AM ET
Rudedog: Thankful said 04/11, 12:55 AM
Your exact words were...
Wrestling isn't a sport. It is a bunch of guys on steroids, in their underwear, grabbing each other.
The Ballet is more of a sport than wrestling.
We haven't done a TD in a while about wrestling being fake, or at least I haven't, so let's go.
Fake is a term thrown around with wrestling that absolutely annoys me to no end.
Now, are wrestling matches scripted? Absolutely. No one is denying that. But is what they do in the ring to get to the scripted ending athletic and a sport? Hell yeah.
Let me show you a couple examples and you tell me this isn't a sport that requires superior athleticism.
This takes athleticism and agility like no other
If we consider boxing a sport, then this is nothing more than having a solid chin. The chairs may not be real, but nothing about taking a fake chair to the face sounds appealing
Ignore the kick and focus on the fact he jumped on a small rope and leapt about 15 feet.
Let's see what ya got
Argos. said 04/11, 03:46 PM
Sure it takes some athletics. Lots of things take athletics. However, how can something scripted be a sport? There is no competition going on. You can't really mess up and lose. The "athlete" has no decision in the outcome, wether they win or lose. The outcome is predetermined.
Wrestling, as in WWE, is no different than a drama/action film. Stuntmen in action films do a very similar thing, and that too takes athletic abilities, is that a sport?
Fact is, athletics don't make something a sport. You need strength and some athletics to be a construction worker, is construction now a sport?
The Ballet, like the fake wrestling, takes athletics. It may even take more athletic ability than wrestling, because you need more than strength (but you still need a lot of that), you need stamina, concentration, flexibility, endurance, and I'm sure a whole lot more that I don't know about.
But what makes the Ballet more of a sport, is the competition. The outcome is unknown, and it is highly competitive. I don't know everything about the Ballet, but I do know that there is competitions/tournaments that go on. And in those, you get judged and have clear winners/losers.
Rudedog: Thankful said 04/11, 04:11 PM
Let's look at the definition of a sport from dictionary.com
an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature
We both have agreed that WWE is athletic. The competitive nature aspect is the debatable part.
Now, to the fan watching the event, you don't know who is going to win. It appears as though the match is competitive and the best matches leave you guessing. The job of each wrestling match is to make it appear competitive. So to us, as we watch, the matches are competitive.
Is it an unorthodox way of being competitive? Yes. But in the end, it is competitive.
There is also competition within the sport among the wrestlers. You have to pay your dues and work your way to the top of the business, like any other sport.
Ballet takes great amounts of physical skill and I also believe it's a sport, but wrestling is right along side of it in the lists of sports.
There IS athleticism.
There IS skill
There IS competitiveness
It IS a sport
Argos. said 04/11, 05:19 PM
There is athleticism, but many things require athleticism. Like I said, is construction a sport?
There is skill required, but everything requires skill. My job as an accountant requires a certain skill, is accounting a sport?
However, I disagree with the competitiveness. I'm sure to some extent their is competitiveness, in every aspect of life there is some competitiveness. When I was in school, there was competitiveness in getting better grades. In work, there is competitiveness to be the best in your office or what not. However, the competitiveness in wrestling, like in school and work, is different than the competitiveness in sport.
You aren't competing for victory. When they step into the ring, there is no competition to win, because of the pre-determined outcome.
"the best matches leave you guessing"
Maybe the fans are left guessing, but the parties involved aren't guessing. The fighters, the refs (is there refs?), the promoters, and what not all know what the outcome will be. No guessing involved.
Wrestling is entertainment, with professional actors/stuntmen. This is not a sport.
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