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  • 04/20/2011, 05:46AM ET

Goalies in the playoffs are not the most important

RyanBoss (1-2-1) vs Darth Maim (80-20-6)
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I think it is a big misconseption in the nhl playoffs that you can ride a hot goalie all the way through the cup. How often can we really say that goaltending has won the cup. Take a look at the two goalies stats in the cup last year and tell me that either the blackhawks or the flyers really owed any of thier cup glory to thier goalies. Infact the flyers took down the team with the hottest goalie last year Halak and the canadians. If anything takes you far in the playoffs its depth.


If you are looking at the 2010-2011 season, then you are correct that the "hot" goalie really didn't matter for the Canadians.

But to say that "it is a big misconseption in the nhl playoffs that you can ride a hot goalie all the way through the cup" is a rather broad statement. If fact, you have painted yourself into a corner.

I will use my arguments to highlight a couple of teams that did ride a goalie that peaked at the right time.

Example 1: Mike Vernon- 1996-97 Detroit Red Wings

The Red Wings had not won the Cup since 1955. Chris Osgood was the starting goalie during the majority of the regular season. Osgood had a solid (23 wins and a 2.30 GAA), if unspectacular, season; however Vernon became the man in the playoffs.

"You start with goaltending and he got hot at the right time," Detroit coach Scotty Bowman said of Vernon, who backstopped the Wings to their first Stanley Cup in 42 seasons.

Stats: Regular season vs. playoffs

Wins: 13 vs. 16
GAA: 2.43 vs. 1.76
Save %: .899 vs. .927

"Hot" goalie = Stanley Cup

Although they won the next season, Vernon was the one who jump started the run.....


Forfeited Turn


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Not really, but RyanBoss must not have a whole lot of confidence in his stance.....


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And there you have it.














Happy Holidays FN.....

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April 20, 2011  08:08 AM ET
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Dear Lord,

I Thank Thee for dropping this thine noob into mine lap, that I might smite him and endeth mine terrible losing streak which was causing much gnashing of teeth.

Amen.

April 20, 2011  08:11 AM ET
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And Again Dear Lord,

Thank you for your kindness, but due to war games I am playing tomorrow I cannot partake. Please consider giving me another chance later.

Amen.

April 20, 2011  08:12 AM ET
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Yu had a losing streak going? And ur welcome for me dropping it lol

April 20, 2011  09:05 AM ET
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Wow, saw this at 6am and figured it would be gone by now.....

April 20, 2011  09:32 AM ET
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Originally posted 09:05 AM ET  04.20 by Darth Maim

Wow, saw this at 6am and figured it would be gone by now.....

DJ is on West Coast time

April 20, 2011  09:42 AM ET
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Originally posted 09:32 AM ET  04.20 by Pickle_T.Johnstone

DJ is on West Coast time

Yeah, excellent observation. No wonder I was able to wait it out.....

April 20, 2011  10:00 AM ET
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Originally posted 09:32 AM ET  04.20 by Pickle_T.Johnstone

DJ is on West Coast time

Sorry DJ.....

April 20, 2011  11:22 AM ET
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Bowman as the coach probably didn't make a difference either.

April 20, 2011  12:07 PM ET
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I don't know Darth Maim, I think that the NHL game has changed since the lockout. Your reference is pre-lockout. The game has become more offensive, and it is hard for a "hot" Goalie to lead a team in the playoffs. Its more about having good defenders in front of the goalie, disrupting shots, and cleaning up rebounds. That is they key in the new NHL.

Last year, Leighton for the Flyers had 3 shutouts against the Canadians in the Eastern Conf. finals, Leighton is not a good enough goalie to get 1 shutout in a playoff series, let alone 3. The Flyers played excellent defense and Leighton made the routine saves. Chicago played excellent defense in front of Niemi and won a cup because of it.

Also your reference to the Canadians and having a hot goalie would be a good argument, except Cammalleri was a scoring machine for the Canadians until they played the Flyers. The Flyer defense shut down the Canadians.

Overall, the Goalie can steal a game or two, but I think the days of seeing a "hot" goalie leading a team to a cup are gone.

April 20, 2011  12:43 PM ET
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Originally posted 12:07 PM ET  04.20 by we_are___

I don't know Darth Maim, I think that the NHL game has changed since the lockout. Your reference is pre-lockout. The game has become more offensive, and it is hard for a "hot" Goalie to lead a team in the playoffs. Its more about having good defenders in front of the goalie, disrupting shots, and cleaning up rebounds. That is they key in the new NHL. Last year, Leighton for the Flyers had 3 shutouts against the Canadians in the Eastern Conf. finals, Leighton is not a good enough goalie to get 1 shutout in a playoff series, let alone 3. The Flyers played excellent defense and Leighton made the routine saves. Chicago played excellent defense in front of Niemi and won a cup because of it. Also your reference to the Canadians and having a hot goalie would be a good argument, except Cammalleri was a scoring machine for the Canadians until they played the Flyers. The Flyer defense shut down the Canadians. Overall, the Goalie can steal a game or two, but I think the days of seeing a "hot" goalie leading a team to a cup are gone.

I don't know Nick417...Cam Ward of the Hurricanes won the Conn Smythe trophy the year after the lock out...If the Habs advance this year it it because they are riding Price as they have done all year.

April 20, 2011  12:45 PM ET
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Originally posted 12:43 PM ET  04.20 by Baun-ded=PH in MOTION

I don't know Nick417...Cam Ward of the Hurricanes won the Conn Smythe trophy the year after the lock out...If the Habs advance this year it it because they are riding Price as they have done all year.

Ward and Roy are two of the other goalies I may reference in my last 2 arguments. Ward in 05 and Roy in 86.....

April 20, 2011  03:46 PM ET
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Great team defense is what has kept the Red Wings as top Stanley Cup and Presidents Trophy contenders for the last 20 years, not Osgood, Vernon, Legace, Hasek, Howard, etc.

Can goalies get hot and steal games? Absolutely. But for every Cam Ward '06 there's a Cam Ward '07.

April 20, 2011  05:07 PM ET
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Originally posted 12:45 PM ET  04.20 by Darth Maim

Ward and Roy are two of the other goalies I may reference in my last 2 arguments. Ward in 05 and Roy in 86.....

So you're argument is that just a few teams have ridden hot goalies to Cups?

But doesn't that basically agree with your opponent's stance?
In his arg he said rhetotically "How often do we really teams ride hot goalies?" and you seem to be agreeing "Not often".

April 20, 2011  05:20 PM ET
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*see teams

April 20, 2011  06:08 PM ET
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Originally posted 12:45 PM ET  04.20 by Darth Maim

Ward and Roy are two of the other goalies I may reference in my last 2 arguments. Ward in 05 and Roy in 86.....

Every New Jersey Devil Championship was ridden on the back of Martin Brodeur.

April 20, 2011  06:47 PM ET
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Originally posted 05:07 PM ET  04.20 by YODA

So you're argument is that just a few teams have ridden hot goalies to Cups?But doesn't that basically agree with your opponent's stance?In his arg he said rhetotically "How often do we really teams ride hot goalies?" and you seem to be agreeing "Not often".

Very good point.
If you have to go back to '86 to make your point,you are not helping your cause.

By the title,left wouldn't have a tough time defending that statement.
I think right understood imo his words,to make the td into-you can ride a hot goalie into the playoffs,and at the same time left said you can't ride a hot goalie into the finals.

So left,what exactly are you defending?

Will wait out arguments.

April 20, 2011  07:00 PM ET
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A goalie who is standing on his end can sure enough win you some close games in the playoffs when you need them. Plus everyone said bad goalie play has kept the CAPs from getting into the finals the last 2 or 3 years.

April 21, 2011  09:56 AM ET
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Only 5 more minutes, better hurry up RyanBoss.....

April 21, 2011  10:05 AM ET
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Originally posted 09:56 AM ET  04.21 by Darth Maim

Only 5 more minutes, better hurry up RyanBoss.....

Still less than 5 minutes.....

 
April 21, 2011  11:37 AM ET
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Its a shame, I think left is correct but he forfeited his turn and loses the TD.

Defensemen are the key to winning a cup. Last year the Hawks and Flyers rode excellent performances from Keith and Pronger. You can win a cup with an average goalie, its difficult to win a cup with average defensemen.

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