• 04/20/2011, 02:05PM ET

I hate to do this (not really), but...

BM. (65-17-11) vs hockeynutz69 (0-7-0)

Defend yourself, AGAIN.

Ever since I have seen you in the hockey message boards, you have talked about one thing and one thing only. The referees.

With each comment you make, you blame everything on whether or not the refs made the correct call for the "correct" team. By the way you comment, you make it seem as if whatever team has the most powerplays is the team that wins the game automatically. You constantly talk about the Pens and how they ALWAYS get the calls and ALWAYS have more powerplays. You go on to cite that as the reason they win games.

But this TD isn't about the Pens, it is about your incessant whining about the referees.

I'm sick of it, and you must defend yourself.

The referees do not decide every single hockey game!!

Quite the opposite, actually.

The teams decide games. The offense does. The defense does. The goalie does. The coaching sometimes does. Skill decides games. Momentum decides games. Matchups decide games. Injuries can decide games.

Please defend your opinion regarding the referees being the end all, be all of a hockey game, because it has gotten to the point where it literally makes me nauseous to read your posts.

I hate the refs 99% of the time, that's all.

You always have such a strong opinion until you get challenged.

How about you post a real argument this time.

WSH vs NYR has seen 2 games decided in favor of the Caps by the refs. Game 1 NYR had a 1-0 lead late in the 3rd when a goal was scored by WSH when Ovechkin hacked and poked at a puck that was under Lundqvist until it went in. All season long the refs have stopped play in those situations or used the intent to blow the whistle to disallow those goals. This one counted for some reason and let the Caps into OT. They then won in OT. Game 4 had a similar situation when Lundqvist appeared to have the puck covered long enough for a whistle. The ref never stopped play and the puck was poked in opening the scoring for WSH. WSH then scored 2 more in the 3rd to force OT. In the OT Dubinsky and Gaborik had a clear 2 on 0 broken up by the ref of all people. He had plenty of time to get out of the way but instead, interfered with what was the best scoring opportunity of the entire game. WSH then won in double OT. There are so many examples in other series so far where officials have decided the outcome of close games. It's been happening for years now. I'm sure you have seen some as well.

Of course there are examples where the refs effect the outcome of the game. But the overwhelming majority of the games are decided by the players and the players only.

I'm over this.

Good luck.

Forfeited Turn

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April 20, 2011  02:10 PM ET

Ha ha! TD series take 54672.

April 20, 2011  02:10 PM ET

After long hours of painstaking research, I have come with the conclusion that the final score decides the outcome of hockey games.

Man, my eyes hurt and my tongue tastes like Folgers.

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April 20, 2011  02:12 PM ET

Referees can decide games.

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April 20, 2011  02:14 PM ET

They can sometimes, but they don't ALWAYS.

I didn't say they did. Just that they can.

April 20, 2011  02:15 PM ET

This guy looks at the final score of a game, and immediately thinks "well the Sabres won, they must have been blowing the referees".

No, thats only the case when Detroit loses or Pittsburgh wins.

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April 20, 2011  02:21 PM ET

Easy win right!

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April 20, 2011  02:23 PM ET

Haha I think this is the 7th or 8th time I have challenged him.

Or more! There were a few he didn't argue.

April 20, 2011  02:24 PM ET

The guy I challenged to this hates the Penguins, but what he fails to understand is that they led the league in penalty minutes this year. Led the damn league, yet he still complains about how many powerplays they get. It just doesn't make any sense.

Only a fool would think power plays equate to penalty minutes.

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April 20, 2011  02:24 PM ET

You should be published for that analysis!

One can't name a price on that kind of information.

April 20, 2011  02:24 PM ET

Refs may make a bad call or two, but they don't put the puck in the net. Ultimately it is the players that win or lose games.


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