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  • 04/20/2011, 08:27PM ET

Death in the woods- Better outdoorsman, Les Stroud or Bear Grylls

CuntryBlumpkin (305-247-64) vs (Un) (93-18-8)
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For those that don't know, Les Stroud= Survivor Man, Bear Grylls= Man vs Wild

Props to El Diablo for the topic

And I'm taking Les Stroud all day long.

First off, Bear Grylls takes a camera crew with him, and he carries a flint stick that sparks when he rubs his knife across it to start his fires.

Les Stroud is by himself in the wilderness, he carries the camera equipment, and films himself, and as for who can build a fire the coolest way?

Les Stroud built a fire using a Coke can and melted chocolate. If that's not bad ****, I don't know what is.

Bear might seem more flashy, but there are several report of him eating a bug for the camera and eating a steak and sleeping on a mattress when the camera is off.

Stroud is just a pure blooded out doorsman. He sleeps under the stars, he doesn't need flint to start a fire, and plays his harmonica to keep himself entertained.

Both are pretty Bamf, but as far as who is better skilled at survivng the wilderness, I'll take Survivor Man all day every day.


I've got one major issue with Les Stroud. Had it for a few years now.

He rarely finishes.

The general premise of every episode, he's "stranded" somewhere and needs to survive for seven days.

Les Stroud sets up camp and tries to ride out the week.
- His answer to being rescued is to pray someone finds him.
- His answer to food (albeit a random scrap here or there) is starvation.

In most episodes by day five or six (he's supposed to do seven) he's tapping out. Whether it be heat, starvation, fatigue, etc.

Basically Les Stroud shows the viewer how to wave the white flag - I'm lost, might as well roll over and die. But he does make one comfortable looking coffin out of sticks and grass.

Bear Grylls takes a more active approach. He seeks out food and shows the viewer how to find their way back to civilization.

I've watched Bear Grylls
- catch fish (salmon and catfish) with his bare hands.
- make rabbit traps out of nothing more than shoelaces and twigs
- kill a snake with his teeth

All of which resulted in life-sustaining meals and... are definitely better than starving.


Yeah, Les has failed a few times in the series, but the fact is, Les is actually out there by himself in survival mode.

I don't know what episodes you've watched, but I haven't seen Les have any problems finding food. Hell, he made scorpion traps out of Dixie cups he found in an abandoned truck.

With Bear, you have a guy that is more flashy, but his show is very fake while Survivor Man is very real.

Remember when Bear was "standed" on a desert island? Turns out he was on an island in Hawaii where he slept in a hotel when it got dark.

Remember the raft he built on that island? Turns out a team built the raft for him, showed Bear how to make it, took it apart so Bear could reassemble it for the camera.

Bear isn't in much danger of dying, Les is.

I'm convinced that Bear wouldn't know how to start a fire if he misplaced his flint stick.

Take a look at this here...



Seems to me Bear doesn't actually get too far from civilization, I mean there was a freaking highway 100 yards away.


I'm aware that Bear Grylls has taken a lot of criticism for having a crew on hand.

Two things:

1. Les Stroud is always camped out within a short safe distance from an emergency rescue crew. He never films an episode without a radio on hand to call for help. So sorry... Les isn't "in danger of dying" either.

2. The fact that Bear Grylls has a crew with him allows him to take more risks.
- White water rafting through rapids using only his backpack as a flotation device
- Jumping off cliffs into large pools of water

For video example, he can dive into an icey lake and show the viewers how to escape with their life:



Hypothermia can kill even trained experts like Les or Bear. These are risks that should not be attempted without a crew directly on hand (Les doesn't). And no, they're not all faked.

The premise of Man Vs Wild is to teach the viewers tactics to survive. Considering Bear Grylls was a survival instructor for the UK Special Forces, it's safe to say he can handle himself alone in the wild - he doesn't need to prove himself. He only needs to teach the viewers.


I'm pretty sure a rule of survival if you're in the arctic is don't jump in the water. Bear does. What's the point of purposely putting himself in danger? It's all for the camera.

Les isn't a short distance away from the safety crews, he does have the radio, but without a camera crew, and no warm hotel to sleep in, I think it's reasonable to carry a radio with him in case something does go wrong, but if he were to fall in some arctic ice, he would have to get himself out.

Bear does take more risks, I can't deny that, but that's only because he has to have other people film him taking the risks, and if Bear has a tough day he has a nice steak waiting for him when the camera goes off.

With Les you have a guy that goes out by himself. He doesn't carry a fire starter with him. He doesn't eat a steak or sleep in hotels when the camera goes off. He doesn't need the company of the camera crew.

If I have first pick at who to take me through any hazardous terrain, I'm taking the guy who's show isn't fake. I'm taking Les Stroud every time.

Good TD Un


"What's the point of purposely putting [Bear] himself in danger?"

Educational purposes. You wouldn't know how to escape with your life if you haven't seen someone else do it. The fact that Stroud doesn't have a crew on hand is an educational limitation to the viewer.

You want off-camera talk. Here goes...

Les Stroud was born in 1961. He actually went to college to pursue a music career and didn't start tour guiding until 1990 (Nearly 30 years old).

Compare that to Bear Grylls who had already scaled Mount Everest by age 23.

After college, Grylls enlisted in the British Army. Serving not only as a survival instructor but also as a trooper and Patrol Medic...

(Personally, I'd rather trust my life in the hands of the guy with a medical background)

Bear
- Has circumnavigated the UK
- Rowed 22 miles across the Thames
- Paramotored over Angel Falls (world's highest waterfall) and the Himalayas.
- Holds several Guinness world records.

The TV gimmicks are done for educational purposes. The "fake" talk overblown. Compare the resumes. It's not even close. Bear is the greater outdoorsman.

Good TD UH/Outlaw.

April 20, 2011  08:35 PM ET

**** DJ! I wanted this.

April 20, 2011  08:38 PM ET

Although I do like Outlaw's argument.

April 20, 2011  08:38 PM ET

UH - I like that show a lot, some cool sh--t, Bear is a showman,and DOES have a crew with him, he makes it look good thats all, Stroud's one brave dude. I'll wait on a vote for now. Good luck guys.

April 20, 2011  08:40 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

UH - I like that show a lot, some cool sh--t, Bear is a showman,and DOES have a crew with him, he makes it look good thats all, Stroud's one brave dude. I'll wait on a vote for now. Good luck guys.

Thank's man.

April 20, 2011  08:41 PM ET

I'll give a warning, I generally don't put videos in my arguments, but there's one that is just too good to pass up.

April 20, 2011  08:41 PM ET

Les rocks!....leaning left already.....

April 20, 2011  08:48 PM ET

Helluva a topic and argument.

April 20, 2011  08:55 PM ET

Will the mods have mercy on this TD?

April 20, 2011  09:06 PM ET

Les is the one that gets drop off somewhere and then has to make it to someother coordinates, right?

April 20, 2011  09:16 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

Les is the one that gets drop off somewhere and then has to make it to someother coordinates, right?

Yes.

April 20, 2011  09:34 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

Will the mods have mercy on this TD?

Someone needs to make a throwdown website.

It's just throwdowns... all topics allowed.

April 20, 2011  09:36 PM ET
QUOTE(#11):

Someone needs to make a throwdown website.It's just throwdowns... all topics allowed.

I would love that.

April 20, 2011  09:38 PM ET
QUOTE(#12):

I would love that.

If I knew how, I would have done it already. But I'm computer stupid.

And there'd possibly be lawsuits from this website if there are too many similarities. Although that part should be easy enough to work around.

April 20, 2011  09:46 PM ET

bamf, haha.

April 20, 2011  09:53 PM ET
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Bad **** Mother ****

You rang?

April 20, 2011  09:56 PM ET
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You rang?

Yeah, why does your sign say therapist when you are clearly The Rapist?

April 20, 2011  09:56 PM ET
QUOTE(#11):

Someone needs to make a throwdown website.It's just throwdowns... all topics allowed.

Jim's Arnie TDs alone would need their own section.

April 20, 2011  09:58 PM ET
QUOTE(#18):

Jim's Arnie TDs alone would need their own section.

I hope he comes back around GSP vs Shields time.

April 20, 2011  09:59 PM ET
QUOTE(#11):

Someone needs to make a throwdown website.It's just throwdowns... all topics allowed.

I nominate a duo, Yoda and Grue....

 
April 20, 2011  10:00 PM ET

Sent FM to Un to pick this up since he wanted it.

I like Bear better but Oiutlaw argued Les pretty well...

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