- 04/22/2011, 05:03PM ET
Confucius. Trout said 04/22, 05:03 PM
3. Derrick Rose
4. Dwight Howard
5. Kevin Durant
Not in any real order. And hell, I would even take CP3, D-Williams, andNash before I take Kobe on my team (doesn't necessarily mean "better" though)
Let's be honest here, Kobe is nothing more than a high volume scorer. He does rank in the top 5 in PPG, but he ranks 2nd in the NBA in shot attempts, and only .1 shots behind the leaders Monta Ellis
And this is despite the fact he has Pau Gasol, Bynum, and Odom (6th man of the year) inside to go to, Monta Ellis could only dream of having those players to give the ball to, yet Kobe constantly ignores them
And of all the players who rank in the top 10 in scoring, he is tied for the 2nd lowest FG% with Monta Ellis and the only player with a lower FG% is Kevin Martin. Yes, Kobe Bryant is on par with Monta Ellis and Kevin martin....
Kobe Bryant also averages 3 TO's a game (3rd highest total among 2-Guards), and of the players with at-least 3 TO's (16 total), he averages the 6th fewest assists, and of the players who were in front of him, 3 of them were Big Men
Kobe Bryant is the most overrated player in the NBA, and is not top 5.
Ogre: Batman said 04/23, 11:06 AM
Kobe Bryant may have lost a step over the years, but he's still a top 5 NBA player. Despite being 32 years old, Kobe showed he still has that killer instinct as he finished 5th in the NBA in PPG. I realize you say he shoots it a lot, but the great scorers should. Kobe only shot the ball 0.3 more per game than Durant, and made 0.1 less shots per game. Why am I pointing this out? Because Kobe clearly was better this season than Durant.
You take a swipe at Kobe for him being a high volume scorer, but Durant is even more so one. Durant may be a tad more accurate, but Kobe displayed a better all-around game. Durant's 3 foot 25 pound advantage only gave him 1.7 more RPG than a 2 guard, while Kobe put up 2.0 more APG and, despite being the ball handler often for the Lakers, only 0.2 more TOPG. Basically, Durant can score, but his rebounding edge isn't that big over a 2 guard and he's not as good of a ball-handler.
That's not mentioning Kobe's ability to diversify his game. Kobe has shown this season he can either take over when the Lakers need it and carry the scoring load, or pass the ball off to his hot teammates and play solid defense.
Don't write Kobe off yet.
Confucius. Trout said 04/23, 10:58 PM
Durnat is a perimeter player, just like Kobe. So the "he's bigger" argument, doesn't really work in explaining the rebound differential, and why is that a bad thing anyway? Seems to me having perimeter player who's 6-10 and can score the way he can only adds to his value
Durant is a high volume scorer, I'll give you that. He's just better at it than Kobe
He averages more points, shoots a higher percentage, is a better 3-point shooter, and is better at getting and making free throws
Than you add in his better rebounding, and the fact that the defensive ratings for these 2 are very similar. Kobe's Rating is 105 and Durant's rating is 107, so it's not the MASSIVE gap people in the comment section make it seem to be
So yes, you are correct that Durant is a high volume scorer, but so is Kobe. So it comes down to who's the better high volume scorer, that would be Durant BY FAR
People also like to talk about Kobe's "clutchness", well in clutch situations this year, Kobe's FG% is a horrific 40.2% and he averages 5.5 TO's per 48 too. Now Durant isn't much better efficiency wise, 40.6%, but he only averages 2.7 TO's. Why? Because Durant isn't a selfish turd.
Ogre: Batman said 04/24, 05:12 PM
Why does Durant have such a high percentage? Why is he able to stand around the three point line at will? Because he was one of the top 3-5 PGs in the league teamed up with him. Kobe is a shot creator; he takes the ball and works with it to make his own shots. Durant does this too, but not as well as Kobe. Plus, Durant also has a luxury Kobe doesn't: open shots. Westbrook handling the ball draws plenty of attention, and more often than not lets Durant get open for a three, a shot that Kobe has to create for himself. So while Durant is shooting under less duress, the percentage and scoring gap isn't huge.
Durant isn't a much better rebounder than Kobe despite his height advantage. Kobe's also the better defender, statistics be dammed. He can shut down players, and isn't as weak on the other end as Durant. Kobe can stop or slow down a team's best guard, while Durant can be overmatched by other forwards. Kobe is less of a defensive viability.
Kobe has an A:TO ratio of 1.38 in the clutch. Durant? 0.93. Kobe averages 53.3 points per clutch minute. Durant 42.8. Durant isn't even the clutch player on his team. Kobe handles the ball and scores, Durant watches Westbrook.
Confucius. Trout said 04/24, 06:37 PM
So Durant only shoots a better percentage because he has Westbrook. Would it be wrong of me to point out the massive flaw in your logic?
Kobe has Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum, and Lamar Odom, which creates EASILY the best front court currently in the NBA. They don't just GET attention, they REQUIRE it, or they will murder you all game long scoring and rebounding the basketball.
Kobe can create his own shot, I'll give you that. My problem is that shot doesn't go in at a very high rate.
Let me ask you this, has Scott Brooks ever said Durant ruined the game by shooting? Phil Jackson has said that about Kobe.
The reason Westbrook can put up the numbers he does, is because Durant lets him. He doesn't insist on handling the ball, nor does he force a lot of shots late in the game.
Kobe's not a bad player, in fact there are times where he is truly great, and there was a time he was the best player in the NBA. His greatness has faded and his great moments are becoming fewer and far between, happens to everyone.
My problem is that he still acts like he's the GOAT and he has Kwame Brown at center. He's inefficient, and he's selfish. Bad combo.
Kobe, not top 5.
Ogre: Batman said 04/25, 03:47 PM
Sir, your argument is the flawed one, as it is entirely based on how Kobe shoots it too much and is too inaccurate. The stats disagree with you.
Durant shot the ball only 0.3 times less per game than Kobe. Kobe only took 101 more shots than Durant, all while playing in 4 more games. How can you accuse Kobe of shooting too much when Durant essentially shoots it the exact same as him? Durant also doesn't have much better FG% than Kobe, with only a 1.1% advantage over Kobe. Consider how often Durant is set up perfectly by Westbrook compared to Kobe making his own shot (which even you agree is an advantage) and you'd still tell me Durant is far and away the better shooter?
I'm aware Kobe as a decent supporting cast. But he doesn't have the elite ball handler that Durant does. Durant doesn't have to worry about running an offense or setting others up to score. Kobe does. Durant doesn't have to always worry about how he'll get his next shot off. Kobe does. Durant doesn't even have to worry as much in the clutch as Kobe, because the stats show how in the clutch Westbrook is the Thunders' #1 option. While Kobe is the best clutch scorer in the NBA.
He's still top 5.
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