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- 04/26/2011, 03:33AM ET
the Last 5 Seconds doesnt make some one Clutch
Dirk for President said 04/26, 03:33 AM
Im not hating the clutch shot or the shot with 5 seconds left that can win or lose a game for a team, obviously people do it but Im not sure if theres a statistic on the % any one makes but I look at it like this.
The mental part of it is, with 5 seconds you know when you get the ball you got to make a movie raise up and shoot, you dont have time to analyze all the situations and whether the games on the line, you pull up and shoot over some one and it goes in or out.
Theres no change in form. It most likely pending on the degree at which your being guarded your form will pretty much stay the same so its a safe bet to think that a PG, SG, SF who shoots a high percentage or pretty good percentage will be more likely to make a game winning shot.
You dont really have the time to think and analyze the shot.
I think more ofan issue of clutch is taking over a game in the final 5 minutes and willing your team to victory.
I think this is what makes a good shooter clutch or not. Standing at the ft line in a Game 6 with all eyes on you and the oppising crowd is going wild and your team is down by 2 and you need both fths, and you miss one and your seasons over.
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[The] Coach said 04/26, 08:31 AM
I will assume that we are only debating "clutch" as it applies to basketball. Even so, shooting is a highly precise mechanical skill. Any small variance in the mechanics of any one shot will affect outcome.
It isn't necessary for a player to be analyzing the time on the clock or the situation at the precise moment that the shot is taken for him to be completely aware of the importance of that particular play. Any good player has been coached about the necessity of thinking ahead and knowing the situation.
Let's agree to remove a desperation heave from the discussion as I think most would agree that this is largely a matter of luck and "desperation."
What makes a player "clutch" is his ability to maintain focus and not allow the stress of the moment to affect the mechanics of his shot. In some cases, (Jordan, Kobe, etc.) players have a unique ability to become more focused than normal. For the most part however, it is the ability to maintain proper mechanics despite the bodies natural responses to mental stress. It is scientific fact that the body reacts to stress and pressure. A clutch player will relax where others quite naturally become tense.
Dirk for President said 04/26, 09:28 PM
I understand and get that one is aware of the situation before it happens but maybe the thought happens subconciously but I dont think once they break the time out and catch the ball that am I going to choke or hit this crosses their mind.
Normally teams have their star player that will take the final shot because they " are more inclined to relax under the pressure" but what happens when DWade is covered and he passes to a wide open Mike Miller, Mike Miller has time and releases his normal shot with normal release and he misses.. would that make him not clutch. Hes not shooting the ball any different it just didnt go in like it doesnt go in 62%of the time. If he were to hit it though hed be clutch even though he has a 38 % chance of hitting a game tying or winning 3.
Robert Horry was considered clutch, but all he did was receive a pass wide open after defenses collapses and released with his normal shot motion a shot and the percentages played to him and he made the 35 % shot rather than fell into the 65 %chance of missing it.
A star player is going to make some last second shots and miss alot more, its common mathematics, no one makes more gw shots than misses.
MTC
[The] Coach said 04/27, 09:24 AM
Reading your argument I wonder if you have ever played a sport at any advanced level at all? I don't mean this as an insult at all, just an observation. Everyone doesn't get the chance to play a sport for high stakes. I am not necessarily just referring to pro or college, even HS playoff sports.
A pressure situation is the same whether it be sports, business, combat, management etc. I have experienced all of the above and it is a fact that some persons perform closer to their norms when under pressure than others. Stress, pressure and/or tension affects everything about the human body. It causes persons to make bad decisions and when the physical body feels pressure it can become tense and it doesn't move as fluidly as normal. Like I mentioned, the art of shooting is a precise skill and the slightest deviation makes a huge difference.
How one handles pressure as well as repetition are factors in determining who performs best under pressure Wade has experience taking clutch shots, Miller does not. This is why the military trains so much, practicing skills over and over again so that members become use to acting under stress. Even so, some still perform better than others.
Dirk for President said 04/27, 06:28 PM
I dont think the type of pressure is similiar. Im in the Army so I know what your talking about with military training.
I really dont think you can compare military pressure and making a last second clutch shot. Yes the military does train its personnel over and over again in certain areas like first aid or rifle marksmanship and combatives to "help" you react to the situation in which you may find yourself.
You cant compare the pressure of having to make a decision on the best route to go with a soldier in a hostile enviorment is bleeding from the extremeties to whats the best way for me to take this game winning shot that has nothing to do with ones life.
I think its ridiculous for you to sit there and compare life or death situations in the military to making a game winning shot, its a whole different level of pressure.
In the military we do it over and over again on how to shoot or save a injured comrade based on muscle memory. Do it enough and when the **** hits the fans hopefully youll do it the same.
In business and military practice makes perfect but not in basketball, because if practiced makes perfect everyone would shoot 90-100 percent on their shots
[The] Coach said 04/27, 09:20 PM
This is a dumb statement,
"In business and military practice makes perfect but not in basketball, because if practiced makes perfect everyone would shoot 90-100 percent on their shots."
Let me make it perfectly clear, I was not comparing war and sports, if you read it that way, your reading comprehension is lacking. I am a veteran with 3 combat ribbons, DO NOT pretend to tell me about the difference in combat and sports. I am painfully aware.
I was explaining that repititon and expereince can help someone perform in pressure situations. There is NOTHING that makes perfect, there is "the best you can be" regardless if it is business, military or athletics. If you don't think practice makes an athlete better you have NEVER competed beyond tee ball. Some persons have a make-up that allows them to remain cooler than others in "clutch" situations and therefore will perform nearer their norm in those circumstances than others without the same experience. CERTAINLY, a player that has taken that clutch shot time and again will be more likely to succeed that someone that has not.
I don't understand how you could think that the stress of a situation would not affect performance?
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I agree, King. There needs to be a real definition of "clutch shooting". What most people label clutch can also mean taking a shot with less than 5 secs on the shot clock or throwing up a 3/4 court shot @ the end of the half. Basically time is limited on all scenarios. If a guy is 0-15 in the game & he just flips up a shot because time is running out & hits it, was he lucky or "clutch"??
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While I disagree that the last 5 seconds isn't "clutch" per se, I agree strongly when King says taking over the last 5 minutes is even more clutch. It can go even deeper than that, but I'll let Coach say his piece first...pretty sure I know where he goes with it.
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Coach nailed it.
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My team is down with with 5 min. left...i want the ball in Lebrons hand....
My team is down by 2 with 5 sec. left...i want Lebron inbounding the ball...
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Really? It was a nice analysis of "clutch" but what did he nail? Serious question.
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His last paragraph was spot on.
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Ok. Serious answer. He described very well what is clutch about making a critical shot in the final seconds(other than a desperation heave).
Your paragraphs 2 and 3 of your first argument imply that there is little separation from one player to the next in making a critical shot in the last few seconds.
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I would not consider the final 5 seconds to define clutch, but hitting 2 FTs at the end of the game is not it.
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KingMe just made one of the worst serious attempts at a TD argument I have ever seen. Coach's excellent response makes the difference that much more glaring. I'm amazed at the disparity of quality!
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I actually thought it was very good for a newbie. This is turning out to be a great TD. But when King said with 5 seconds you just put up the ball and shoot... trust me, 5 seconds is plenty time to take a good shot provided you're in position to take a shot.
(KMac) Lame Sauce
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Army King? Huah. Air Force for the win. We should do a Military TD like who's better at college football, army or air force lol
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you think Im crazy every one knows the Army teams suck, we can do a td on what base on Okinawa is the best ;)
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Nope. Kadena AB is Air Force and is the largest base on Island. Best base too.
(KMac) Lame Sauce
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That would be too easy for me!!
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