- 05/02/2011, 02:26PM ET
fat28will said 05/02, 02:26 PM
IMO, i say no. Kobe is good and he is nearing great but he will never be near MJ. If we were to compare careers MJ would win time after time. MJ was a presence from the start of his career while it took Kobe's 3rd season for him to get a official starting job. In their careers both have played 15 and MJ has scored more points, grabbed more rebounds, and dished more assists. In Kobe's career he has NEVER shot over .500 and his his best FG% doesn't crack MJ top ten. Ok that was stats, moving on to other things Kobe's game is close to MJ but doesn't have the flair MJ had. MJ did the 360 layups the and 1 that you wouldn't expect and the shots that you thought wouldn't fall in but they did.
Serial Dex said 05/02, 02:53 PM
I hate Kobe and I love MJ, so this will be tough for me to get behind! That said:
1) Kobe taking a few years to find his mojo are irrelevant. It doesn't matter how slow you start, your body of work is what matters.
Garnett was a highly touted phenom to start his career and it took him like a decade and a trade to the Celtics to become a real winner. Do you think he will be remembered more for his struggles in Minnesota or his glory in Boston? Kobe will be revered for his success, not for his first 2 years on the bench.
2) MJ being the man means his stats will be better. Kobe has had to defer to Gasol, Shaq, etc... and those other players take away from Kobe's numbers.
Other than Pippen, who was MJ going to give the ball to? Bill Wennington? It was MJ's job to rule the roost.
3) 360 layups define greatness? Well Isiah Rider must be an all time great, because he loved fancy dunks.
Another point to consider:
The league has harsher competition right now. Athletes are better and there are a dozen teams that could win it all. The #1 seed Spurs just got manhandled by #8 Memphis. The league wasn't as tight back in MJ's days, which means he had it easier.
fat28will said 05/03, 02:30 PM
alright the only point i could make sense of was the last point. please clear up ur first two points When I say 360 layups and And 1 i mean the flair MJ brought to the game. Kobe may have hit gamewinners and or or a tough And 1 but MJ was doing that and then some. Remember when MJ scored 63 points against the Celtics in a 2OT loss in his 2ND YEAR which still stands today has a playoff record. Yeah, that was crazy or when he hit the Gamewinner in Cleveland also crazy. Just yesterday Kobe MISSED a would be gamewinning 3 in which LA was only down by 1 so a 2 would have worked. also remember all the DUNKS MJ DID. Ewing, **** was just the beggining
Serial Dex said 05/03, 02:42 PM
Yes I saw yesterday's game. MJ didn't miss any game winning shots?
Hitting a few game winners doesn't make you "the man."
If that was the case, we'd be talking about Robert Horry as the best player of all time. He's hit many game winning shots and has more rings than both MJ and Kobe.
The question was "IF Kobe wins the finals, will he be equal to MJ"
- They will both have two 3-peats under their belt
- " " have 6 rings
- " " arguably be the best player of their ERA
- " " played the same position
- " " played the same number of minutes for their career (at this point)
- " " both have led the league in scoring
- " " both won personal accolades like MVP
- " " both had personal issues tarnish their legacy
- " " both have had the #1 selling jersey for multiple years
They are very similar players.
Both are ultra competitive. Both are both loved and hated by other players AND the public. Both have had messy marriage issues come to light.
They are very similar players and it could be aruged they are equal in terms of NBA accomplishments.
fat28will said 05/04, 01:31 PM
alright they are close on those points you gave but MJ has more in his bag.
10 Scoring titles/ Kobe 2
1 Defensive player of the year/ Kobe 0
5 MVPs/ Kobe 1
10 All-NBA selection/ Kobe 8
9 All-NBA Defense/ Kobe 8
6 Finals MVPs/ Kobe 2
Record in Finals MJ 6-0 p.s. beating six different teams each time/ Kobe 5-2
Career ppg in season & playoffs MJ 30.1,33.4/ Kobe 25.3,25.5 so in stats Kobe doesn't really step it up in the Playoffs
Also you say Kobe will have 2 three-peats under his belt. the playoffs aren't over so idk how you can say he has 2. Also making Clutch shots and Gamewinners can make you the man. Jerry West and Larry Bird made Clutch shots and Gamewinners and their considered the MAN so Robert Horry can be considered the man to a certain point but he isn't the MAN
Serial Dex said 05/04, 02:56 PM
"Also you say Kobe will have 2 three-peats under his belt. the playoffs aren't over so idk how you can say he has 2"
Well the discussion is based on the premise that Kobe wins another ring this year. We are assuming he wins the Finals. At least that's what you said in YOUR title.
Look. It's obvious that Kobe will never be held in the high regard MJ is. I don't even know if ANYONE will ever reach the heights that MJ did.
There are just certain athletes who are untouchable. Gretzky is another one of those athletes. We always try to find their successor and the guy to take the crown.
We've went through our Grant Hill's, Kobe's and Lebrons.
But if a player has a resume like Kobe does, there at least deserves to be a discussion about equality. There are many facets of their game, personality and legacies that are similar.
You have to at least consider the fact that Kobe might reach that upper echelon if he wins a 6th ring this year while combatting injuries.
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