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  • 05/05/2011, 09:46PM ET

NBA Challenge: Top Five SG's of 2011

fat28will (9-16-3) vs DJRoxalot (1085-669-126)
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1. Dwayne Wade
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Monta Ellis
4. Manu Ginobili
5. Joe Johnson

This is based on the success of their season in 2011. more will come in the next arguement

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4-Ray Allen.

Averaged 16.5ppg, 3.4rpg, 2.7apg and 1.0spg while shooting 49.1% on FG's, 44.4% on 3pointers and 88% on FT's.

In the playoffs? He is averaging 20ppg, 4.3rpg, 2.3apg and 1.3spg while SHOOTING 56.8%, 63.9 and 100%.

Manu averaged 20.6ppg, 4.2apg and 4rpg but shot just 44.3%, 32.1% and 78%.

BRING THE PAIN AND DO NOT FORFEIT ANY ARGUMENTS!!!


alright I will give you your props on that info but that was mostly against a rookie and a bench scurb. He played against a scared Landry Fields and a BUM Bill Walker who combined shot 3 for 15 for three and 12 for 45 from 2. So come from that i would guess they dont have confidence to actually stick D. Manu had to Good defenders in Shane Battier and Tony Allen who were throwing him off but in game 4 he still hit that 2 which would have been a Three if his foot wasnt on the line. Now go to the Bos-Mia and look at the D that Ray is sticking on DWade. 38 in game1 and 28 in game2. just like when he hit that 3 AND MADE HIM FALL sts not Pretty.


Props on that info?

It is not hard, use google!!! It is pretty amazing and you can come up with some informative stuff.

For the advanced user you can check out 82games.com.

Scared Landry Fields? I do not think Fields was "scared" at all. He had a very good rookie season and he came from the Pac 10 (soon to be Pac 12). So he is used to the "bright lights" of the big time.

Allen is 1 of the most clutch players in NBA history. The guy is probably more clutch than Kobe. And I am a huge Lakers fan so that is a huge compliment.

Walker is no bum, he did not have a good offensive series but Walker is no worse than an average defender.

And Allen is still a very good defender.

Manu is juat okay.


If you say Fields is used to "bright lights" then i guess he didn't get the memo during the playoffs. Fields poor play lead to the BUM Bill Walker to average more minutes then him. Also if you say Walker is not a bum then being 0 for 11 must mean something else. If you say that Walker is a average defender then I guess Ray Offense was just stilfling to Walker's D. Since thier Offensive wasn't going good no real reason D was needed to be played but when MIA hit Allen didn;t know what to do. Wade has outscored Allen in every game and has scored over 20 every game so I guess that GOOD D wasn't being administrated.

In the Spurs-Griz series Manu oppoesing SG only scored 9.0 ppg and 3.5 apg while he had 20ppg and 4.2apg. Showing that he had a good series and was playing Great D at the same time to hold his opponent to those low stats


You said Fields was "scared." I was pointing out he was not SCARED at all.

They played walker on Allen because he was more exprienced. Not because Fields was scared.

Allen is a much better offensive player than Manu,

If you were to ask 10 GM's who they would rather have?

I guarantee 7 of 10 would take Allen. He is a better shooter and a better defender than Manu. Manu might be a better passer but Ray Ray is clutch and wins games for the Celtics.

Memphis SG's averaged 9ppg?

Mayo averaged 10.4ppg and Tony Allen averaged 9.2ppg.

Wade averaged 24.0ppg against Manu.

So I guess Ginobili does not have the answer to stop Wade either, huh?

Picking out 1 superstar that Allen struggles against? Not smart since most of the NBA cannot guard Wade either.

Allen defended Walker and Fields very well. That is why Walker was shooting 30% (9 of 30) during the series and Fields made just 20% of his shots.

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May 5, 2011  11:02 PM ET

So are you replacing Manu with Ray or moving Manu down and replacing Joe Johnson?

1. Wade
2. Manu
3. Kobe
4. Ray Allen
5. Monta

May 5, 2011  11:21 PM ET

Replacing Manu with Ray Ray.

May 5, 2011  11:21 PM ET

Manu is better than Kobe?

May 5, 2011  11:46 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Manu is better than Kobe?

Flip of a coin this year.

PER 36 Manu turns it over less, blocks more shots, gets more steals, more assists, has a better ft%, a better 3pt%, better true shooting %, better in the clutch, and was the best player on the best team in the west

Certainly a top 5 sg, and definitely better then Monta

May 6, 2011  04:41 AM ET

I like the Ray Ray switch.

May 6, 2011  05:30 AM ET
QUOTE(#4):

Flip of a coin this year.PER 36 Manu turns it over less, blocks more shots, gets more steals, more assists, has a better ft%, a better 3pt%, better true shooting %, better in the clutch, and was the best player on the best team in the westCertainly a top 5 sg, and definitely better then Monta

This is where using Sabermetrics and pure statistics for basketball is messed up.

If PER says Ginobli's better than Kobe... then you can't trust it. Watch a game and you know who's better. I just don't think Sabermetrics and even stats are really ever reliable by themselves.

Better in the clutch than Kobe??? Ginobli is definitely a clutch player, but come on.

But yes, he's in the top 5.

May 6, 2011  05:35 AM ET

How the hell is Allen shooting 64% 3pt so far? Knew his % was good, but my god

May 6, 2011  02:54 PM ET

Manu is not better than Joe Johnson.

Kobe
Wade
Joe Johnson
Monte Ellis
Eric Goron

May 6, 2011  04:02 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

Manu is not better than Joe Johnson. KobeWadeJoe JohnsonMonte Ellis Eric Goron

Manu is easily better then Joe Johnson. Have you seen Joe Johnsons PER? 83rd in the NBA. Manu is a much better defender. He gets twice as many steals, more blocks, better 3 pt%, better free throw shooter, more assists. Not to mention he has shown to be more clutch and has championship experience.

How is Joe Johnson better?

manu is easily the 3rd best sg this past season

May 6, 2011  04:13 PM ET

wade
kobe
manu
ellis
allen

May 6, 2011  04:34 PM ET

Ginobili also scores less with a lower FG%, rebounds less and turns the ball over more. That's why I think Joe Johnson is better.

May 6, 2011  04:41 PM ET
QUOTE(#11):

Ginobili also scores less with a lower FG%, rebounds less and turns the ball over more. That's why I think Joe Johnson is better.

even out the mins and Manu rebounds more, he turns it over .5 more but averages 1 more assist. Manu has a much higher true shooting %.

Manu is much much much better

May 6, 2011  04:44 PM ET
QUOTE(#12):

even out the mins and Manu rebounds more, he turns it over .5 more but averages 1 more assist. Manu has a much higher true shooting %. Manu is much much much better

Wrong Manu averages 4.9 APG and Johnson is at 4.7. that's only.2 more so his AST/TO is worse.

May 6, 2011  05:17 PM ET
QUOTE(#13):

Wrong Manu averages 4.9 APG and Johnson is at 4.7. that's only.2 more so his AST/TO is worse.

If you use per36 since Joe Johnson played 5.5 mins more per game:

Manu - 5.8 ast 2.6 TO

Joe J - 4.7 ast 2.0 TO

not a big difference

Meanwhile still using PER 36:

Manu: 20.7 pts .4 blk 1.8 stl 4.4 reb

Joe J: 18.5 pts .1 blk .7 stl 4.1 reb

PER:

Manu : 21.78
Joe J : 16.46

true shooting%

manu: .581
Joe J : .517

and if you look at clutch stats at 82games, Manu kills him again


Manu > Joe J

May 6, 2011  05:18 PM ET

1 Dwayne Wade
2 Kobe Bryant
3 Joe Johnson
4 Monta Ellis
5 Manu Ginobli

May 6, 2011  07:29 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Replacing Manu with Ray Ray.

Jesus Shuttlesworth!!

May 6, 2011  11:03 PM ET

What language does this guy speak?

May 7, 2011  01:00 PM ET

just okay.

May 8, 2011  02:01 PM ET

Hey Fatwill you going to go create dupes like you did vs Serial Dex?

 
May 8, 2011  09:28 PM ET
QUOTE(#19):

Hey Fatwill you going to go create dupes like you did vs Serial Dex?

smh, still on that huh? if ppl headline vote the headline vote get over it and if u using this as a tactic to get ppl to not vote for me then thats just sorry

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