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  • 05/07/2011, 08:05PM ET

Midenhalls comments were not stupid..

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i saw this on pti and around the horn..
where they discussed midenhalls comments..
they definitely created alot of controversy!

But lets be real for a second..
he said it was wrong for people to celebrate bin ladens death..
i have to agree..
i dont mind crackin open a beer in your house,
and quietly saying thank god that guy wont bother us again..
But the drunk guys on time square and,
the drunk students in dc..
what they did was wrong..
remember, during 911 all the arabs celebratin made us sick..
its the same thing..
but we should hold ourselves to higher standards..
as obama said there is no need to spike the football..
all we did was just infuriate them more..
and we lost moral ground by bringing us down to their level..

Midenhall went on to say that 911 was a conspiracy..
so what?
he is not the first person to say this..
come on..
the plane that crashed in pennslyvannia got shot down!

Midenhalls comments were refreshing..
im glad someone pointed out the wrong,
on what was a terrific day in england and the usa


I saw this on Fannation!

Firstly, who the hell is Midenhall? Come on. Google him if you don't know who he is or how to spell his name.

Secondly, his comments were stupid. However, he has the right to be as dumb as he wants.

It's America. It's a free country. He has the right to tweet or say what he likes. We can listen or ignore it.

Thirdly, just as Mendenhall can say whatever he likes... other citizens can do what they like. If they want to celebrate the death of a mass murderer, then they can.

IMO there is a difference between celebrating a good thing and acting like a ****. When I heard Osama was killed, I thought "About time. Justice was served." I celebrated with a cold beer in my house.

I'm willing to bed there were plenty of handshakes and high fives all throughout the government. I'd bet a few pops were drank by the men and women in the armed forces. I'd bet they all celebrated. Nothing wrong with that. Taking off your shirt and dancing in the street? Too far. Tasteless. But that's me.

For the point of this TD though, you can't say Mendenhall was right but the celebrations were wrong. You can't have it both ways.


Forfeited Turn


Some (not all) American haters (not just Muslims) cheered at the deaths on 9/11.

Some people were glad to see the infidels, yankees, (insert insult here) die.

Cheering the death of one person isn't near as bad as cheering the deaths of thousands.

Roughly 3000 people died during these terrorist attacks.

Only 2400 or so died during the bombing of Pearl Harbor.

This was the worst attack on American soil and it was against INNOCENT CIVILIANS.

So yes Mr. Frog, I think Mendenhall's comments were stupid. I'd cheer bin Laden's death and I'd gladly buy a beer for everyone that had a hand in taking him down.

A few rowdy college kids celebrating the death of an evil terrorist is not the same as a culture, a nation, a religious group, etc... celebrating the death of people just going to work for the day.


Ok finally somethin to rebute!

Your argument how its ok to cheer when someone dies has holes..
Whether you like him or not osama was a worthy opponent..
He gave the playboy millionaire lifestyle to pursue a cause he was willing to die for..
in the eyes of his people they now consider him a martyr..
we should show respect to our enemies..
just because they did it, doesnt mean we should to..

Its going to be a long war against the terrorists,
possibly several decades..
and this will be remembered as one of the highlights..
hopefully next time something big happens,
we can show the world that we have class and not cheer
someone being murdered..

As obama said, there is no need to spike the football..
mendenhall got this one right..
we should be more civilised..
everytime you try and rationalize morality,
thirty years later people look back and think what a bunch of barbarians..


He wasn't murdered. He was killed during an attempted apprehension.

He could have turned himself in peacefully any time over the past 5 years and there wouldn't have been much outrage. He chose to stay on the lamb (figuratively and literally, I'm sure).

Shooting a terrorist wanted for mass murder is not "murder." I doubt the forces went into the house and had him cornered. Can ou see Osama cowering in the corner saying "please take me to jail, don't kill me please"

Not sure why you say "Finally something to rebuke" when I said Mendenhall was stupid in the first post.

Comment #1 has been removed
May 7, 2011  08:26 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

Why is he agreeing with me?

You're an agreeable guy. Everyone says so.

May 7, 2011  08:28 PM ET

I can get why he was mad, but Bin laden cause fear, misery, and paranoia to a lot of people.

I didn't celebrate, but I don't mind the people that did.

May 7, 2011  08:28 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

I can get why he was mad, but Bin laden cause fear, misery, and paranoia to a lot of people.I didn't celebrate, but I don't mind the people that did.

Was it wrong to celebrate Hitler's death?

May 7, 2011  08:31 PM ET
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I also don't like that he apologized for the comments.When you say something like that, at-least have the balls to stand buy it you puss.

by*

May 7, 2011  08:34 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

Why is he agreeing with me?

He didn't.

May 7, 2011  09:17 PM ET

His death accomplishes very little. Kind of like the death of Pablo Escobar did not stop the drug trade.

The same conditions that allowed a guy like Bin Laden to gain prominence continue to exist and US has just added to the problems.

Unstable Government and Corrupt Governments (Check)
Puppet governments (Check)
Foreign support for these governments (Check)

Add to that the killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians caused by the two wars. Plus torture, illegal detainment and other human rights abuses being committed in this "war on terrorism".

May 7, 2011  09:22 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

His death accomplishes very little. Kind of like the death of Pablo Escobar did not stop the drug trade.The same conditions that allowed a guy like Bin Laden to gain prominence continue to exist and US has just added to the problems.Unstable Government and Corrupt Governments (Check)Puppet governments (Check)Foreign support for these governments (Check)Add to that the killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians caused by the two wars. Plus torture, illegal detainment and other human rights abuses being committed in this "war on terrorism".

Stay in Canada

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May 7, 2011  09:26 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

Stay in Canada

He's not wrong.

Those problems do exist, and killing Bin Laden didn't fix it. Still, it does deliver a blow to Al Queada. The fact that Bin laden had alluded the US was a huge deal for people who dislike America.

May 7, 2011  09:27 PM ET
QUOTE(#10):

I dont kow how to rebute..he agreed with everything I said

You can try to argue why it's right to say Mendenhall was right but the people were wrong.

May 7, 2011  09:49 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

His death accomplishes very little. Kind of like the death of Pablo Escobar did not stop the drug trade.The same conditions that allowed a guy like Bin Laden to gain prominence continue to exist and US has just added to the problems.Unstable Government and Corrupt Governments (Check)Puppet governments (Check)Foreign support for these governments (Check)Add to that the killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians caused by the two wars. Plus torture, illegal detainment and other human rights abuses being committed in this "war on terrorism".

I agree.

May 7, 2011  10:03 PM ET

What Mendenhall said was dumb. Left, you need to argue more about why what he said wasn't dumb and less about the reaction of the people.

He should have known it was going to stir up controversy especially with a hot-off-the-press headline like that. How did he expect peolpe to react?

How about putting the actual quote in your argument instead of a what you think you heard him say.

Voting right.

May 7, 2011  11:06 PM ET

The cheering about a death part is not stupid but the part about hearing Osama's side of the story and about planes not being able to take down buildings is stupid.

May 8, 2011  12:40 AM ET

I'm sorry. Muslims celebrating a mass murder is not the same as what those college kids were doing. Not even ****-ing close.

May 8, 2011  12:41 AM ET
QUOTE(#16):

I'm sorry. Muslims celebrating a mass murder is not the same as what those college kids were doing. Not even ****-ing close.

Seconded

May 8, 2011  12:52 AM ET

His comments were stupid. He's entitled to his own opinion, but he need to realize he represents an organization / and the NFL as a whole. While Joe Nobody could say the same thing and nobody takes notice: he knows he has followers who know who he is and what he does. While they were his words, it came out as a voice of more then one person. Its stupid because it shouldn't have been tweeted. It wasn't the time or stage to voice an opinion.


Also they were just stupid:

He talked about not hearing his side: never hearing him speak, and not knowing if he was involved.

If he actually wanted to hear the guy could have watched the videos were he claims responsibility and discusses why they hate America.

May 8, 2011  01:35 AM ET

"For the point of this TD though, you can't say Mendenhall was right but the celebrations were wrong."

Why not? That's the whole point of left's argument... that he disagrees with people celebrating, and thinks that Mendenhall was, maybe not necessarily right, but justified in making his comments

May 8, 2011  01:49 AM ET

Midenhall?

And HCF, you opened an entire can of words that just.... shouldn't be opened.

 
May 8, 2011  02:38 AM ET
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I'm sorry. Muslims celebrating a mass murder is not the same as what those college kids were doing. Not even ****-ing close.

First of all, it was not Muslims celebrating mass murder. It was a very small group. I am a Muslim and I definitely do not approve of the actions being committed by Taliban, Al-Qaeda or Osama Bin Laden in the name of my religion.

Calling them the voice of all Muslims would be like considering **** the voice of all Christians.

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