- 05/07/2011, 11:59PM ET
CuntryBlumpkin said 05/07, 11:59 PM
For those that didn't see what happened, he appeared to have crashed Kevin Harvick on purpose which brought out the last caution of the race.
After the race, Kevin pulled in front of Kyle's car to confront him.
Kyle drives away scared with his tail between his legs, and sends Harvick's unmanned car into the wall on pit road where bystanding pit crew members were standing and had to dodge a car coming at them.
So not only to Kyle Busch intentionally crash a competitor, he endangered the lives of several pit crew members with his cowardly acts.
I think Kyle deserves a suspension of one race, a deduction of 15 drivers and owners points, be placed on a 5 race probation, and a fine of 50,000 dollars.
Harvick is my favorite driver, but after the race he was trying to fight Busch, so he does deserve some type of punishment, but not as severe as Kyle's.
I say Harvick should be placed on two week probation, and be fined 25,000 dollars.
Will either happen? Probably not, but I think this would be the proper punishment.
I hope Kevin kicks Kyle's **** after their meeting with NASCAR.
Dyhard is a certified stoner said 05/08, 11:40 AM
The crash wasn't on purpose. If you look at this from a neutral standpoint (which I am doing since I don't have any affiliation with either driver), you can see that Kyle Busch was coming down the racetrack and was loose because his car was looking like it was about to crash itself and was continuing to go down the racetrack even after making contact with Harvick's car.
I would just set each racer on a 2-race probation just to try to cool down the situation and make sure that nothing escalates from this situation, like Harvick trying to retaliate. I would also give Harvick a $10,000 fine for his actions after the race. And I can definitely see that happening, especially since he stopped in front of Kyle Busch's car and tried to fight Kyle while he was in the car, still. As Kyle drove away to avoid a confrontation, Harvick took a swing at Kyle. That's not appropriate at all. To me, there was nobody that had their lives "endangered." Actually, all the crew members were at the wall the entire time but nobody was fleeing for their own safety. Kyle Busch didn't do anything wrong and he did the right thing by driving away and avoiding confrontation.
CuntryBlumpkin said 05/08, 07:39 PM
I don't understand how you can punish Harvick more than you can punish Kyle in this situation.
You can go by what Kyle said all you want, but watch the replays, and it's clear that he cut down and intentionally hook Harvick into the wall, which turned a solid top 10 run for Harvick into a 17th place finish.
I don't know which angles you saw of Kyle sending Harvick's unmanned car towards the pit wall, but there were people still standing in the pits.
Kyle is very lucky that Harvick's car went to an area where people weren't standing, because there was no way he could control where Harvick's car was going.
That foolish act right there warrants a steeper penalty than Harvick should get.
Kyle could have still looked like a coward if he would have backed up and drove around Harvick's car and then I could see equal punishment.
Harvick threw a punch at a Kyle Busch who was driving away with his helmet on and his window net still up.
Kyle Busch endangered the lives of crew members.
Kyle started it, and then did the stupidest thing I have witnessed in NASCAR.
He deserves a one week suspension, a fine, a deduction of points and probation.
Dyhard is a certified stoner said 05/08, 08:25 PM
You punish Kevin Harvick more in this situation because Harvick chased after Kyle Busch with his car, and stopped in front of him, then when Busch backed up and went into the pits, Harvick followed him and stayed in front of him, stopped, got out of his car, and proceeded to flail his arms at Kyle Busch punching Busch. That's the main reason. You need to control your anger. Talking about the pits when Busch pushed the car, it went straight into the wall, nobody was endangered since the car's path went the way it did, not coming near anybody, and nobody and their lives "endangered." And if Busch was driving away with his helmet on, net still up, while avoiding any kind of shuffle -- although getting into one because of Harvick's stupidity -- why should Busch be punished? You are expecting NASCAR to be run like a zoo, when in reality, you can't have people punching other drivers because 1 guy got loose.
Busch didn't intentionally come down and wreck Harvick, Busch was losing control of his car, which ended up sending him down into Harvick. Plus, they were 3-wide in a place where they shouldn't be 3-wide which caused Bowyer to spin out in the first place.
CuntryBlumpkin said 05/09, 09:55 AM
Guys follow other drivers after the race several times a season, and that has never caused a fine in recent memory.
As for Harvick throwing a punch, neither Jeff Gordon nor Jeff Burton were fined for their fight near the end of last season.
NASCAR has to be consistent with their punishments.
You're right, Harvick's car didn't go to where people were standing, but that was pure luck.
Kyle had no control over which direction that Harvick's car would go, he got lucky that it went the direction it did or he could be facing some legal problems.
But the fact that people were standing on pit road when this happened made it a dangerous situation.
If you don't think Busch intentionally crashed Harvick, then you are either a blind Busch follower, or you didn't see the crash and are just going by what Kyle Busch said.
It was painfully obvious that there was an intent to send Harvick into the wall.
Harvick does need some punishment, but it definitely shouldn't be more severe than Busch's.
If Kyle would have backed up and drove around Harvick's car, then I wouldn't have had an issue.
Dyhard is a certified stoner said 05/09, 10:06 AM
You're right, it was pure luck that Kevin Harvick's car didn't go into anybody, but he should be responsible for his car, and that would involve staying into it until they park it and not just stopping in front of Kyle Busch like he did. Kyle Busch also lost his reverse, according to comments he said. Regardless if you believe what he says or not, you can't say that his comment is false because you truly don't know what was happening with his car. And if he did indeed lose his reverse, then he would've had no choice to avoid getting punched. If you would give him the choice of getting out of the car, he wouldn't have had that opportunity since Harvick would've been wailing on him. He already punched Busch while Busch had his helmet on and the net up.
Busch did intentionally crash Harvick. If you saw the race, they were racing down into the turn three-wide, which just doesn't bode well for Darlington, especially how narrow the turns are. Add to the face that Busch was losing control of his car and went down into Harvick because of the loss of control, you can't say that it was an intentional wreck of Harvick by Busch. You just can't. And I did watch the race and saw many replays
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