- 05/09/2011, 03:41PM ET
OlderthanDirt said 05/09, 03:41 PM
What he did was beyond frustration of losing consecutive games to the Mavs. The league cannot allow him to get away with this.
I understand that was their last game of the season and therefore he should be suspended, without pay for at least ten games beginning next season.
You think not?
You want to argue he should not be punished at least ten games? BRING THE ...........dang, forgot what it is you are supposed to bring....have to ask Dj.....be back in a minute.......
....OH YEA,......THE PAIN!
Ogre: Batman said 05/09, 04:02 PM
Should Andrew Bynum be suspended for his flagrant foul? Yes. But 10 games? That's excessive.
Andrew Bynum committed a flagrant foul. That much is a fact. He reached out, and shoved Jose Barrera as he came in the paint. However, it's not the first time in NBA history that someone has fouled someone in the paint hard in frustration. It happens, and quite frankly is almost a part of the game. Bynum has even committed hard flagrant fouls in the paint before, but he's certainly not alone.
In this same series, Artest threw a forearm at the face of Barrera as he was moving the ball up the court. He wasn't entering the paint or attacking the basket. And yet, Artest was only suspended for a game. Why? Because the NBA rules flat out don't call for harsh penalties on flagrant fouls. Their system for suspensions is as follows:
Player at 2 points commits a FFP2: automatic 1 game
3 or 4 points commits a FFP1: automatic 1
3 or 4 points commits a FFP2: automatic 2
5 points or more commits a FFP1 or FFP2: automatic 2
Bynum is along the guidelines for a 2 game ban. Why you feel it should escalate to 10 games is beyond me. I feel a 4-5 game suspension is much better suited.
OlderthanDirt said 05/09, 04:17 PM
Okay, I got the whole NBA automatic bit but we are talking about what SHOULD BE DONE versus what probably will be done due to the rules.
I disagree with your first point adamantly. Bynum did not "shove" Barea as he came into the paint. He gave him an elbow that would make Ric Flair give his best "Whhhoooo". It was a deliberate shot up towards the head area of Barea and quite frankly came out of it lucky that he did not cause any permanent injury.
I am berated on FN all the time because I say the NFL is wussifying the league with all their rules for protecting the players like they did this past season. And here we are trying to protect the likes of what happened last night in an NBA game? C'mon guys!
The whole point of the 10 games is meant to be "excessive". Somehow the league has got to "make it hurt" for the team if the players can't police up this crap.
Bynum is 7'0" and 285 lbs, Barea is 6'0" and 175. Bynum threw an elbow dead at his head instead of attempting to block the shot. That is BS!
Are you forgetting that this is not Mr. Bynums first time?
2 games suspension for that.
Ogre: Batman said 05/09, 06:17 PM
A deliberate shot up towards the head area? If you watch the clip you posted from 47 seconds to 51 seconds, you can clearly see Bynum raise his arm after Barrea is in the air. He moves towards Barrea, and connects with his forearm/elbow in his chest which slides up to his armpit. There's no effort at a head shot.
What we have here is a witch hunt. Bynum, a center, defends the paint, as is his job. Hard fouls are a part of the playoffs; they have been and always will be. Bynum isn't the only NBA player to have a "history" of rough fouls, so don't try to overblow that. While I agree that Bynum could have gone about committing the hard foul in a different way, I disagree with the notion that Bynum had malicious intent to hurt Barrea. He extended his arm to send the message that even though LA is being blown out, you can't come into the paint and expect free points in the playoffs.
I'm not saying reward the man for what he did. It was a clear flagrant foul, and should be treated as such. However, this is no different than the countless other flagrant fouls that garner 2 game suspensions or less. If you want to teach a lesson, 5 is fine.
OlderthanDirt said 05/10, 08:55 AM
Bynym knew he had done wrong. He took off his jersey and headed for the locker room. It was malicious.
Evidently FN believe as you do that 10 games are too many. I am not changing my mind or my stance on this.
Using the 2 game suspensions as a guide line apparently does not stop this type of play. Most of FN seems to think that is part of the game. Maybe that is where I miss the boat. I however, was looking at it from my grandkids point of view as we watched the game.
I was left trying to explain to them "Why did he do that Papa?". What do I tell my grandkids? "Well son, you see they are pros and that is the way the game is played at that level but don't you even think about doing it in a game at school or playground". Now exactly how does that sound? Well, to a twelve year old it is bullshitte!
So, you guys that believe that a two or three game is enough go ahead and vote that way. But when this same thing happens and someone gets seriously injured don't say a frigging thing.
If it had happened to Kobe and he broke his neck the guy would be in jail. It is just a matter of time before someone is seriously injured if this is allowed to continue. Good TD Ogre tnks
Ogre: Batman said 05/10, 06:08 PM
Voting isn't about who is right or wrong or personal belief, it's about arguments. Or at least it's supposed to be.
Clearly you want to send a message with the suspension, which we both agree needs to happen. You seem to think jumping from the typical 2 games all of the way to 10, a HUGE leap forward, is justified. I feel that more than doubling the penalty, a suspension of 5 games, sends a clear message. Jumping to a 5 game suspension in itself would be new ground for punishment for flagrant fouls, there's no need to skip all of the way to 10.
Like it or not, hard fouls are a part of the game. While Bynum lost his cool and committed a hard foul (and immediately knew it), it wasn't as if he was completely trying to destroy Barrea. He pushed a player entering the lane, albeit hard. It's not the first time things like this have happened, and it won't be the last.
Moreover, I believe Bynum is being cast in a bad light because of his postgame comments. Since then, Bynum has owned up to his mistakes and apologize, and has attempted to contact Barrea multiple times.
A lesson has been learned. Send a message, yes. But don't jump to extremes. 5 games is fine.
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