- 05/17/2011, 04:52PM ET
Pods said 05/17, 04:52 PM
OK, may sound a little confusing. Name the player who, looking back, was very obviously roiding, but did the best job of staying out of the media and the spotlight for doing so.
Voters, please vote for the named player who has the best combination of being someone you have heard nothing about, and who, now that you think about it, was smack in the face obviously on roids (as best pointed out by the TDer).
To my opponent, if you would please name your choice in the opening argument, since I took up considerable space explaining the TD, as it's admittedly a complex TD to present.
My choice, unfortunately was one of my favorite players growing up, and I hate that he was roiding,
OlderthanDirt said 05/17, 05:53 PM
By your definition it could be for only 1 year as a roider. It is hard to finger someone IF they only used for say, only one season. Jay Bell's 38 HRs in 1999 would appear as if he used that year although he has never been on any list labeling him as such.
"looking back, was very obviously roiding.."
Was it obvious that Jay Bell was using? NO way. Jay played at Pittsburgh in his early years and that park is not known for HRs flying out of the park. His one year in KC he finally broke 20 and then his first year in Arizona he hit over 20 as well , so it could easily be said that he was developing into a hitter. His 38 HRs in 1999 was his "career year". He tied for 16th most that year. 15 others hit more than his 38 so that was probably the reason his name never came up in the controversy. The next year he had over 40 less PAs. That is 40 less chances of breaking the 20 HR mark 4 years consecutively. So, I don't buy into it being obvious that Jay used.
IF I said, "He used for a single season and then quit because he did not want to get caught". I would choose Brady Anderson.
It is very hard to explain how someone that never hit 25 blast 50 and never again 25 MTC
Pods said 05/18, 04:29 PM
Brady Anderson is most certainly a roider, but he hardly stayed under the radar in doing so. Heck, one writer gave out a "Brady Anderson" award for the player most suspicious. And he was called "the poster boy for steroids" until Big Mac's 98 season.
You have a GREAT choice as the obvious roider. But he doesn't qualify for the second part.
Jay bell's season high in HR's before the age of 30 was 16. All of a sudden, he turns 30, and is in the last year of his Pittsburgh contract. His BA falls off (worst since his Indian days). He gets traded to KC. Knowing he'll be a FA the next year, he all of a sudden smacks 21, hardly monster numbers, but roughly 33% over his previous best, at a park not known as being a HR hitter's park, and after the age of 30. He then gets that monster contract (highest paid middle infielder at the time), hits 20 HR's in 98, then almost doubles anything he'd ever done before hitting 38. 18 the next year, and 13 his final full time year
BUT, never hear his name thrown out there in the steroids conversation. Why? Because he did his thing during the middle of Sosa and Mac's monster numbers.
Anderson was the spotlight roid user in 96.
OlderthanDirt said 05/18, 09:14 PM
Great job at explaining Jay's climb to 38. Reads just like a guy moving up to a career year, as I explained in my first argument. IF roids were not at an all time during those years Jays 38 would have been readily accepted as a career year and not a second thought given.
However, Brady's 50 would NOT have passed that same scrutiny. Especially since that number had only been surpassed less than 20 times in the history of MLB and most of those times were by the greatest sluggers of all times which Brady DID NOT stack up to in comparison as a HR hitter. And those hitters constantly blasted 30+ HRs every year. Brady had yet to break 25 when he hit his 50.
Neither of them went under the radar. All anyone has to do is google goodmenproject.com's All Steroid team and both are listed as starters. For what its worth.
There are many other sites that list one or both of them as suspected roiders and several of them do the tie-ins to known or proven roid users as well.
We are still left to decide of ourselves if either ever used since neither has been proven.
It may be easier to say Jay skipped more than Brady but it is only because it is no where near as obvious he used.
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