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Kimbo will take Ray Edwards out....

And this is NOT likely to happen, PCH....

Kimbo has more experience than the guy Edwards fought.

TJ Gibson was making his debut as well.

The reviews from Edwards fight wasn't good. He was fighting a 5'9" heavyweight aka fatso and the articles I read where saying he looked pretty bad for having such a huge height advantage.

Heavyweight fights are contested with 10oz gloves for the most part, some places 12. Guys under 147 fight with 8oz gloves. Not 14 like right is saying.

A thing people don't realize is that even with the bigger gloves the punch is a lot harder in boxing. The reason? The boxer is wearing shoes in the ring where the MMA fighter is barefoot. Trust me on this, having rubber soles on your feet allows you to generate a lot more power than the extra 4 to 6oz a loose foam padding can take away. Leverage is everything on a punch and you get a lot more of it with shoes on.

Another fact people don't realize. Boxing gloves aren't there to protect the face. They are there to protect the hands. The whole reason they created gloves is because all too often both guys had broken hands at the end of the fight. The last great bare knuckle champion was a big advocate for gloves.

Also saying Kimbo should have gone into boxing is ridiculous. Kimbo headlined main events and even fought on network TV in MMA. In Boxing he would have never gotten a major payday or fight. He would have been laid to waste trying to just get ranked. They don't give freaks main events because they fought on YouTube, you need to beat a real fighter first.

QUOTE(#9):

Originally posted 11:56 AM ET  05.25 by BuckyBadger.

Also saying Kimbo should have gone into boxing is ridiculous. Kimbo headlined main events and even fought on network TV in MMA. In Boxing he would have never gotten a major payday or fight. He would have been laid to waste trying to just get ranked. They don't give freaks main events because they fought on YouTube, you need to beat a real fighter first.

For his style of fighting I was talking about. He didn't have the training needed to be a complete MMA fighter. I wasn't talking about the $ purposes. He would have gotten a good payday in boxing if they would of had him call out a couple of boxers but that's not his style.

Not sure why you call Kimbo a freak. He actually seems to be a nice guy and people only say nice things about the guy. And I'm pretty sure boxing would have loved to give him a payday to help boost the sales since they are getting killed by MMA.

QUOTE(#10):

Originally posted 12:14 PM ET  05.25 by Woodee3384

For his style of fighting I was talking about. He didn't have the training needed to be a complete MMA fighter. I wasn't talking about the $ purposes. He would have gotten a good payday in boxing if they would of had him call out a couple of boxers but that's not his style. Not sure why you call Kimbo a freak. He actually seems to be a nice guy and people only say nice things about the guy. And I'm pretty sure boxing would have loved to give him a payday to help boost the sales since they are getting killed by MMA.

He didn't have the training or background to become a even a C level fighter in Boxing but in MMA he at least got a fight because of his name. Its different in boxing. You don't get a payday simply because of your name. You actually have to beat someone of consequence. You don't get huge main events in boxing just because your an internet sensation. He never would have gotten a payday in boxing because he never would have won the fights to get there. He quit his boxing training because he was getting destroyed in the gym vs guys like I was. Not saying MMA guys aren't highly trained but you can get main event fights in that sport without having experience, not the case in boxing.

I call Kimbo a freak because he got his name doing street fights and not in a ring or cage learning a craft. His style isn't suitable vs any trained fighter in any sport. Just because they where throwing punches on his YouTube video doesn't make him better suited for boxing.

Also boxing isn't getting killed by MMA. They are killing themselves and judging by the sales and ratings it isn't as bad as the media constantly says it is. 1.8 million viewers this past weekend for Hopkins vs Pascal on HBO. Not bad at all.

MMA does very well PPV wise but when you look at the what the gates rake in they don't even come close to boxing. The biggest gate in MMA doesn't even crack the top 15 in boxing.

There is room for both and neither sport needs a novice fighter like Kimbo to help it. Guys who can't fight aren't going to help anything. Skilled fighters with staying power helps a sport.

QUOTE(#11):

Originally posted 12:28 PM ET  05.25 by BuckyBadger.

He didn't have the training or background to become a even a C level fighter in Boxing but in MMA he at least got a fight because of his name. Its different in boxing. You don't get a payday simply because of your name. You actually have to beat someone of consequence. You don't get huge main events in boxing just because your an internet sensation. He never would have gotten a payday in boxing because he never would have won the fights to get there. He quit his boxing training because he was getting destroyed in the gym vs guys like I was. Not saying MMA guys aren't highly trained but you can get main event fights in that sport without having experience, not the case in boxing.I call Kimbo a freak because he got his name doing street fights and not in a ring or cage learning a craft. His style isn't suitable vs any trained fighter in any sport. Just because they where throwing punches on his YouTube video doesn't make him better suited for boxing.

Nick Diaz was about to sign a fight agreement to face Jeff Lacy!

And the fact that Kimbo stands in a boxing stance and does his head movement and bobs like a boxer and the fact he likes to stand and trade punches makes him more suited for boxing.

QUOTE(#11):

Originally posted 12:28 PM ET  05.25 by BuckyBadger.

He didn't have the training or background to become a even a C level fighter in Boxing but in MMA he at least got a fight because of his name. Its different in boxing. You don't get a payday simply because of your name. You actually have to beat someone of consequence. You don't get huge main events in boxing just because your an internet sensation. He never would have gotten a payday in boxing because he never would have won the fights to get there. He quit his boxing training because he was getting destroyed in the gym vs guys like I was. Not saying MMA guys aren't highly trained but you can get main event fights in that sport without having experience, not the case in boxing.I call Kimbo a freak because he got his name doing street fights and not in a ring or cage learning a craft. His style isn't suitable vs any trained fighter in any sport. Just because they where throwing punches on his YouTube video doesn't make him better suited for boxing.

I agree with most of your post...but to say that anyone can get into MMA over boxing??? The only reason Kimbo was on TV was because the organization he got on with was absolute **** and was merely using his internet stuff to get people to watch (If you had put him on TV in a boxing match it would of drawn just as big numbers as his couple of fights on that MMA **** show). The minute he went on to the UFC his lack of skilled was exposed and he lost to mid card type MMA guys. You put anyone with experience in any sport against someone with little or no experience and they will get smashed. I also thought he might be better suited for boxing (if you had to pick one, I don't think he can do either at a high level) because it's a much more one dimensional combat sport than MMA (and Kimbo is basically a KO puncher even in MMA fights). I am not trying to take anything away from the skill or strategies of boxing just that in MMA you must be versed in stand up (both hands and feet) and on the ground (take downs and submissions). But all in all to be honest Kimbo was too old to train and be good at either sport and was a flash in the pan internet flop...neither of these sports can be just jumped into and dominated. He should of stuck to beating up other nobodies.

QUOTE(#12):

Originally posted 12:34 PM ET  05.25 by BuckyBadger.

Also boxing isn't getting killed by MMA. They are killing themselves and judging by the sales and ratings it isn't as bad as the media constantly says it is. 1.8 million viewers this past weekend for Hopkins vs Pascal on HBO. Not bad at all. MMA does very well PPV wise but when you look at the what the gates rake in they don't even come close to boxing. The biggest gate in MMA doesn't even crack the top 15 in boxing. There is room for both and neither sport needs a novice fighter like Kimbo to help it. Guys who can't fight aren't going to help anything. Skilled fighters with staying power helps a sport.

I would say that right now boxing is bigger....for now. The only great boxer left that most people can name now is probably Manny (or the old hangers on like Hopkins or Holyfield). But with no one good to fight and his career nearing an end what does boxing have left (or coming in to fill those shoes)? Whereas MMA just had an 11 million dollar gate here in Canada with GSP (who just turned 30) and the PPV numbers seem to keep climbing and more and more places allowing and sanctioning it. I think it's a safe bet that MMA will catch and surpass boxing down the road.

The thing with MMA (UFC mostly) on PPV is that tons of the fans will go to Bars to watch the fight and this affects the PPV buys. I am a fan of boxing but it isn't doing much for it's popularity. I mean there aren't too many fighters that you can still sell tickets and PPV's.

What Bucky said.

QUOTE(#13):

Originally posted 12:41 PM ET  05.25 by Woodee3384

Nick Diaz was about to sign a fight agreement to face Jeff Lacy! And the fact that Kimbo stands in a boxing stance and does his head movement and bobs like a boxer and the fact he likes to stand and trade punches makes him more suited for boxing.

No, it does not.

QUOTE(#13):

Originally posted 12:41 PM ET  05.25 by Woodee3384

And the fact that Kimbo stands in a boxing stance and does his head movement and bobs like a boxer and the fact he likes to stand and trade punches makes him more suited for boxing.

First he doesn't stand in a boxing stance. Just cause you are standing on your hind legs doesn't mean you have a boxing stance. He was always square and he looked like what he was, an untrained fighter.

He didn't have boxing skills. What he did on YouTube wasn't any closer to boxing than any other sport. Getting in street fights with bums isn't boxing anymore than its MMA or checkers.

If he had a chance to make more money in boxing he would have done just that but the fact remains that in boxing you need to actually beat someone before you get a shot a good purse where MMA will simply promote the name. Boxing purses make more at almost every level and if Kimbo could have gotten a main event somewhere he would have. He didn't because he couldn't. The guy failed in training, that is all really have to say. He couldn't last 2 months in training.

QUOTE(#14):

Originally posted 12:48 PM ET  05.25 by nfitzy

I agree with most of your post...but to say that anyone can get into MMA over boxing??? The only reason Kimbo was on TV was because the organization he got on with was absolute **** and was merely using his internet stuff to get people to watch (If you had put him on TV in a boxing match it would of drawn just as big numbers as his couple of fights on that MMA **** show). The minute he went on to the UFC his lack of skilled was exposed and he lost to mid card type MMA guys. You put anyone with experience in any sport against someone with little or no experience and they will get smashed. I also thought he might be better suited for boxing (if you had to pick one, I don't think he can do either at a high level) because it's a much more one dimensional combat sport than MMA (and Kimbo is basically a KO puncher even in MMA fights). I am not trying to take anything away from the skill or strategies of boxing just that in MMA you must be versed in stand up (both hands and feet) and on the ground (take downs and submissions). But all in all to be honest Kimbo was too old to train and be good at either sport and was a flash in the pan internet flop...neither of these sports can be just jumped into and dominated. He should of stuck to beating up other nobodies.

He was exposed before he got to the UFC and they still took him on. The UFC didn't put him on a big card but they gave him plenty of exposure. You simply don't get that in boxing no matter who you are. You have to show it in the ring first than the promoters will get excited about you.

Boxing might be more one dimensional than MMA but the fact still remains that the fighters in Boxing on average have had a ton more experience at an amateur level and pro level before getting big fights. You don't need 20 to 25 fights of experience to step up in competition in MMA. Now this is rapidily changing but even Brock Lesnar got a title fight with only 4 fights. I understand he wrestled in college but he also had years between that and his MMA fights. In contrast even the top amateurs boxing have at least 15 fights immediately following an amateur career before getting title fights and this is on the fast track. Oscar De La Hoya got one in 10 but he was special and a gold medal winner. Even the elite fighters like Roy Jones Jr had 21 fights before their first title fight and he also was a great amateur with over 130 bouts at the national and global level.

MMA will be this way as well. New gyms are opening up all over the place and there are more and more places to gain this experience. Experience is still why its harder to make it in boxing than it is in MMA. MMA will get there in time. Soon the fighters will be trained by guys who have done MMA and where trained by guys who did MMA. Not just one discipline but all of them. The development of the sport has been amazing over just the last 5 years. The next 10 will be even more.

Kimbo made the right choice going into MMA because the sport suited where he was at as far as experience goes. You don't start boxing at 30 and expect to get anything more than 4 round opening card on a non-TV fight. In MMA he got a headline fight on a network which netted him 6 figures.