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  • 05/30/2011, 11:51AM ET

After not much deliberation....

Rudedog: Believe The Hype (370-317-81) vs DJRoxalot (1085-669-126)
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The Lakers hire of Mike Brown is still a bad hire. You are claiming you have had a change of heart, but it's still a bad hire in my opinion.

Brown just doesn't seem like a good coach to me. He is a solid defensive coach, which is something the Lakers needed to improve upon. However, going after a coach who was only good at defense isn't how you solve the problem.

In Cleveland, Mike Brown's offense was all about LeBron and him creating for the team. I hate LeBron and love Kobe, but there's no way in the world this offense could work in LA. And the teams aren't even the same. Right now, this Lakers squad has size as it's biggest strength, something Mike Brown never had in Cleveland.

To me, hiring Brian Shaw would have been better as he had been with the players, had turned down other job offers to stay in LA, and was familiar with the players. To bring in a guy like Mike Brown, who hasn't been particularly impressive and isn't familiar with the Lakers organization, just doesn't make sense to me.

They're the Los Angeles Lakers. They could have done much better


When the announcement was made he was the next HC of the Lakers? I was stunned. I thought Rick Adelman was the best choice.

However after thinking about it? I think the hire is not as bad as us Lakers fan fear it is.

He is a COY winner (2008-09)

Brown has a coaching record of 272-138 (66.3%)

42-29 in the playoffs (59.2%)

Made (at least) the East Semifinals of playoffs in all 5 seasons he coached the Cavs.

The last 2 years in Cleveland? They went 66-16 and 61-21.

Last season? They may very well have made it to the East Finals had James not QUIT on his team.

Brown has the experience of dealing with LeBron and his massive ego. This will come in very handy in dealing with Kobe and the aging Lakers players.

Brown is a defensive genius and that is something that cannot be overlooked.

2005-06: The Cavs allowed 95.4ppg in his first season
2006-07: They allowed just 92.9ppg
2007-08: They allowed 96.7ppg
2008-09: They allowed 91.4ppg
2009-10: They allowed 95.6ppg

The Lakers gave up 95.4ppg last season and they have better defensive players than Brown had to work with in Cleveland. He will help improve their defense.

BRING IT!!!!!


Brown had a successful stint in Cleveland for a couple of reasons, not many of which was his coaching

1. It was the Eastern conference, which is incredibly weak and was the whole time he coached the Cavs

2. He had LeBron. LeBron is most likely the best all-around player in the game and given the fact they were in the Eastern conference, they rolled over people.

Now that he's come to LA, he's going to be facing a MUCH tougher competition and dealing with much bigger egos, much more combustible personalities and face much more scrutiny. It's going to be nothing like coaching in Cleveland.

He already has a superstar in Kobe who isn't happy he wasn't consulted when the team hired a coach. Your second best player just came off a historically bad playoff performance. The team is being mentioned in trade talks from everyone.

What this team needed was either a coach familiar with the team (Brian Shaw) or a coach or has been around and can deal with these things (Rick Adelman). Both guys would have been better than Mike Brown.

The Lakers struck out on this one.


"Right now, this Lakers squad has size as it's biggest strength, something Mike Brown never had in Cleveland."

So height is a bad thing of the sudden?

I think that will help Brown.

Their defense will be even better than the one that Brown had in Cleveland. I know you have heard the term, "You can't teach height."

This is not a bad thing at all.

"2. He had LeBron. LeBron is most likely the best all-around player in the game and given the fact they were in the Eastern conference, they rolled over people."

The Lakers are a lot more talented OVERALL than the Cavs were.

Kobe might not be the best player anymore but he is still very good.

Gasol and Bynum

Rolled over TEAMS.

Face more scrutiny? People said that he would not be able to deal with James and his ego when he was hired. Coaching James was not exactly a low pressure gig.

It worked out pretty well. They were able to make it to the Finals and if James had a little more help?

They would have won a title.

Brown is a better hire than Shaw simply because he has head coaching experience. They tried Kurt Rambis when they had Shaq and Kobe.

Did not work out well.


Two things here DJ

First, you spent a third of your argument making it sound like I was saying the Lakers size was a bad thing and misconstruing my words.

And secondly, you tried to make it sound like the Cleveland job was equal to the Lakers job.

Ummmm. Reread that statement and tell me you can't be serious. The LA job is probably the most scrutinized job in the NBA right now. The expectations they have after the last 4 seasons are sky high and Mike Brown isn't used to that pressure. For all the good he did in Cleveland, he only made it to the Finals once in a super weak East. LA is going to have to deal with OKC and Dallas for a few more years as well as Portland.

To me, it'd make more sense to bring in a Brian Shaw who is familiar with the team, town, and expectations or Rick Adelman, who has dealt with superstars and expectations at each of his stops.

Instead, they hired Mike Brown, who has been unimpressive in the past, in my opinion. I don't think he's ready for the spotlight he's about to have on him in LA


"The expectations they have after the last 4 seasons are sky high and Mike Brown isn't used to that pressure."

When did he crack under the pressure? He was basically the fall guy when the Cavs did not achieve the expectations they had set.

The bottom line is Brown is a winning coach. He as the 5th best winning % all time among coaches with at least 250 games under their belt. Heard this somewhere recently.

He has dealt with an egomaniac in James.

He knows how to implement a very good defensive gameplan from his time he spent as an assistant coach to Popp in San Antonio.

"For all the good he did in Cleveland, he only made it to the Finals once in a super weak East."

The coach can only do so much. Ultimately? It is up to the players to perform. The coach cannot play the game for them.

"Instead, they hired Mike Brown, who has been unimpressive in the past, in my opinion."

You need a reality check. Brown did as well as he could have done under the circumstances.

CAKE AND BOOBIES

ALA MODE!!!!!


Good TD as usual, Rude-ster.....

May 30, 2011  11:58 AM ET

Jim Tressel.

May 30, 2011  12:08 PM ET

Actually I think the Lakers made a decent decision. The Lakers are a team in transition and Shaw would have been more of a long term hire. They need someone to lay the blame on in a few years after they are no longer a contender.

May 30, 2011  12:12 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

Jim Tressel.

Okay

May 30, 2011  03:13 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Actually I think the Lakers made a decent decision. The Lakers are a team in transition and Shaw would have been more of a long term hire. They need someone to lay the blame on in a few years after they are no longer a contender.

Wrong, Brown is a great hire. Any coach uses what they have. The offense in LA will be different than what he used in Cleveland. Also, offense is not the issue in LA, defense is and Brown is a very good defensive coach. The Cavs were a very good team when he was there because of defense.

May 30, 2011  03:29 PM ET

i agree with rude. dont like the decision

May 30, 2011  05:42 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

Wrong, Brown is a great hire. Any coach uses what they have. The offense in LA will be different than what he used in Cleveland. Also, offense is not the issue in LA, defense is and Brown is a very good defensive coach. The Cavs were a very good team when he was there because of defense.

This is spot on. The Cleveland offense was all about LeBron b/c thats all Brown had to work with. Who knows what he can do when he has a legit 2nd and 3rd option to go to. Defensively its a great hire since thats the biggest concern for LA. There may have been 1 or 2 guys that could have been a better fit but Brown is still a top notch selection. Might get to see that Laker-Heat final next year.

May 30, 2011  06:48 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

i agree with rude. dont like the decision

I agree with Pats.

May 30, 2011  08:23 PM ET

I don't think the Lakers had trouble with their defense, it's their offense that was lost in the playoffs.

And if Brown is mainly known for being a defensive coach, then LA is in deep trouble.

May 30, 2011  08:25 PM ET
QUOTE(#7):

I agree with Pats.

I agree with you. Who agrees with Pats. Who agrees with Rude.

May 30, 2011  08:37 PM ET

Mike Brown's offensive playbook:

Pick and roll with LeBron and Z. LeBron take it to the hoop, or kick it out to Williams or Z.

Iso with LeBron.

Replace LeBron with Kobe, Z with Gasol, and Williams with Fisher or Odom... ladies and gentlemen, your 2011-2012 Los Angeles Lakers!

May 30, 2011  09:25 PM ET

Argree with right but LeBron didn't quit

May 31, 2011  12:38 AM ET
QUOTE(#11):

Argree with right but LeBron didn't quit

LOL.

Child please. Use your brain.

May 31, 2011  10:18 AM ET
QUOTE(#11):

Argree with right but LeBron didn't quit

ditto, I'd love to average 26, 7 and 6 in a series that I "quit" in. Just ridiculous that people still say that. Dude had a triple-double in his last game as a Cav, again I would love to be able to "quit" like that.

May 31, 2011  10:27 AM ET

"It was the Eastern conference, which is incredibly weak and was the whole time he coached the Cavs"

Well the west is much weaker now and again he has the best player in that conference and not a ton of competition outside of OKC and Dallas in the near future.

May 31, 2011  11:59 AM ET
QUOTE(#13):

ditto, I'd love to average 26, 7 and 6 in a series that I "quit" in. Just ridiculous that people still say that. Dude had a triple-double in his last game as a Cav, again I would love to be able to "quit" like that.

Lakers quit on Phil.

May 31, 2011  03:32 PM ET

I'm not a huge Mike Brown fan, but before the guy gets crucified, let's see what he can do offensively with LA.

The Lakers actually have more than one scoring option on the team so I think Brown's offense will look a little better.

May 31, 2011  03:32 PM ET
QUOTE(#13):

ditto, I'd love to average 26, 7 and 6 in a series that I "quit" in. Just ridiculous that people still say that. Dude had a triple-double in his last game as a Cav, again I would love to be able to "quit" like that.

Did you watch Game 5?

May 31, 2011  03:34 PM ET

As far as Brian Shaw goes, I don't think it's a bad idea to hire someone outside of the organization. After getting swept in the playoffs, it doesn't hurt to change up the status quo.

May 31, 2011  03:38 PM ET
QUOTE(#18):

As far as Brian Shaw goes, I don't think it's a bad idea to hire someone outside of the organization. After getting swept in the playoffs, it doesn't hurt to change up the status quo.

I understand that part, but it's not like they wore a doormat of a team for a long time. They went to 3 straight Finals, but simply lost focus/desire.

 
May 31, 2011  09:37 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

Jim Tressel.

I agree.

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