- 06/05/2011, 10:13AM ET
The Chosen Few said 06/05, 10:13 AM
Stats don't lie and neither does the record books .
Wilt was so dominate that the league enforced rule changes to contain him .
Jordan the league created rule changes to aid his game .
Wilt had a 50" vertical .
Jordan had a 48" vertical .
Wilt holds 72 NBA records 63 of them he holds by alone .
Jordan's hold the record in Nike shoe sales .
If Jordan is the talking heads , sports writers , and your greatest player ever I'll put Wilt's stats up against his right now .
Wilt played in the league with fewer teams and better fundamentally sound players who didn't show boat before the league was watered down with a bunch of weak teams during the Jordan era .
During Jordan's championship run the Bulls had six or more , 6'10 to 7'0 players on his team to create jump shots and drives to the basket for easy dunks .
Wilt was the only 7'0 player on his team during both championships . Would Wilt have won more titles if his team could buy more players like Jordans Bulls .
DJRoxalot said 06/05, 10:51 AM
Wilt was a dominant player, no doubt about that.
He led the League in scoring 7 times. However he led it his first 6 years and than just once in the next 8 seasons!!!
MJ was the model of consistency. He led the League in scoring 10 times and did it against SG/SF's his height.
While Wilt dominated (in 1961-62, his legendary 50ppg season) against 6-8 Jim Krebs, 6-9 Red Kerr, 6-6 Willie Naulls, 6-5 Johnny Green, 6-9 Ray Scott, 6-8 Wayne Embry, 6-9 Bill Russell, 6-9 Bob Pettit and 6-11 Walt Bellamy.
He had a decided height advantage over most of these guys. Coupled with his freakish talent it was clear, he was the best of his time. But he also was playing against inferior centers for the most part.
Not to mention he averaged 39.5 FG's per game during his 50ppg season.
When Wilt played teams averaged over 100ppg and it was not unusual for a team to throw up 100 FG's per game. At 43.3%, much lower than todays era.
Can you imagine what MJ could have done if he ever averaged that many FG attempts?
In 1986-87 (when he averaged 37.1ppg) MJ averaged 27.8 FG's per game. Almost 12 fewer than Wilt.
I will address who Wilt played with next.
The Chosen Few said 06/05, 08:07 PM
It started in 1967 when his coach at the time Bill Sharman ask him to sacrifice his scoring and get his teammates more involved he did and won a championship . The results was a league record 69 wins with Wally Jones , Hal Greer , Luke Jackson , Chet Walker , and Matt Guokas .
Outside of Russell , Kareem , and Shaq since the leagues existence what other 7 foot center has a handful of NBA records ?
If it was so easy for Wilt because he was 7 feet , so was Mikan , Eaton , Robinson , Lanier , or any of the 40 or so other big men to play the game with no major records .
!00 point game
59 in one half
scored 50 points 118 times - Jordan 31 times
40 point a game 271 times - Jordan 173 times
Most consecutive 50 point games Dec 16 to Dec 29th
Most consecutive 40 point games , 30 point games and 20 point games
fewest games played to reach 20,000 points 499 Jordan 620
4,029 most total points in a season
Wilt was a super athlete not a freak of nature
Jordan can't match any of Wilt's offensive records
I'll give you some rebound stats that will never be matched in my next round .
Jordan had a lot of help
DJRoxalot said 06/05, 08:49 PM
Jordan had a lot of help?
You realize Billy Cunningham and Hal Greer are HOF'ers, right??? And Chet Walker? No clouch. In the 1966-67 season when they won a ring?
Greer averaged 22ppg, 5.3rpg and 3.8apg
Walker averaged 19.3ppg and 8.1rpg
Cunningham averaged 18.5ppg and 7.3rpg
Wilt led the team with 24.1ppg and 24.2rpg but the bottom line is he had a lot more help than people give him credit for. The 76ers had 4 excellent players. And it could be argued he had more help than Jordan.
When he went to the Lakers?
He had even more talent with Jerry West, Gail Goodrich, Happy Hairston, Elgin Baylor, etc.
What part are you not understanding?
IN 1966-67 the game was different and played at a much faster pace.
76ers averaged 125.2ppg
Celtics averaged 119.3ppg
Royals averaged 117.1ppg
Knicks averaged 116.4ppg
Bullets averaged 115.5ppg
Warriors averaged 122.4ppg
Lakers averaged 120.5ppg
Hawks averaged 113.6ppg
Bulls averaged 113.2ppg
Pistons averaged 111.3ppg
Starting to get it???
More possessions back in the day. That is why Wilt was able to dominate.
Mark Eaton? Seriously? You brought him into this discussion? You need to be slapped.
The Chosen Few said 06/05, 11:14 PM
More possessions back in the day and more NBA HOF'ers with less teams . The league now has been watered down since the 80's with so many weak teams and rosters .
Wilt average over 30 points a game and 22.9 rebounds for his career .
55 rebounds in a game most ever
45 in a game most by a rookie
23, 924 most rebounds for a career
2,149 most rebounds for a season
1,941 most rebounds for a rookie season
26 rebounds in a half
41 rebounds in a playoff game
25 block shots in a game per Harry Pollack
Never fouled out in an NBA game
65 or more points a game 15 times in his career
Lead the league in assist
When it comes to facts the facts in the NBA are a thing called statistics and they record them every game and Wilt's stats don't lie .
Outside of thr great Bill Russell's 11 NBA championships no big man or little compares to the records of Wilt . Jordan ain't even close only in scoring talk to me when somebody starts breaking 1 of his 63 records . You know like when Hank Aaron broke the Babe's home run record before Bonds . Start out with the 100 point game . My bad Jordan has the alltime shoe selling record and I'm sure you have every one of the Jordan brand Tdalots.
DJRoxalot said 06/06, 07:37 PM
You want numbers? YOU WANT NUMBERS?
I am going to give you some numbers!!!!!!
MJ averaged 33.4ppg, 6.4rpg, 5.7apg and 2.1spg while shooting 48.7% on FG's and 82.8% on FT's in the playoffs.
In the playoffs? He was 6-0 in the NBA Finals. UNDEFEATED!!!!! He was also a 6 time NBA Finals MVP.
Listen, I hate MJ. And no I am not in Chicago. Look below my picture and it clearly states I am in Los Angeles, California.
MJ was cocky, arrogant and a 1st class doucher as a person (cheating on his wife, etc) but I grew up watching him. The man was a GREAT PLAYER and most likely the best we will ever see. He was amazing at how he could soar through the air and slam home an amazing dunk. Or get in the face of a teammate and demand them to raise their game.
He was a fierce competitor and the best player I have ever seen. Yes, inlcuding Magic. I love Magic but MJ was able to take over a game and a series like Kobe only wishes he could.
MJ was the better player.
He would have posted even better stats if he had played against a bunch of 6-1 or 6-2 SG's.
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