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  • 06/05/2011, 02:02PM ET

Heat will win 3 or less championships under the LBJ, Wade, Bosh reign. (if they don't win this year)

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Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Lebron James are probably untouchable in that organization and they won't be traded. They make up a huge portion of the salary that the Miami Heat organization will be dealing with in the coming years.

Joel Anthony, Udonis Haslem and Mike Miller all signed through the 2013-2014 season. Joel Anthony turns 29 this year, Udonis Haslem is 31 in a few days, Mike Miller turned 30 this year already. With Wade, James, Bosh, Anthony, Haslem and Miller making up around 60,337,000 in next seasons salary, $65,724,000 in 2012-2013, and $71,011,000 million in 2013-2014, I really don't think the Miami Heat will be able to sign another star to their arsenal. 2014-2015, all players can pick up their player option and that will make up $76,248,000 of the entire salary.

By the time the 2014-2015 season rolls around Wade is 33 in January, Bosh 30, and Lebron is 30. Joel Anthony turns 32, Udonis Haslem is 34, Mike Miller turned 33.

That team will be old, and will have to pay a heap in luxury tax to get solid role players.
You also have to keep in mind that there may be a lockout next season, who knows how long the lockout i


Problem.

Who beats them? They walked through the Bulls ( look at THAT cap situation) The Celtics are on their last legs and if you wanna see a screwed team cap-wize- see the Magic.

Who else you got? ATL?

So you have to be thinking, barring injury, the Heat are in the finals for the foreseeable future- vs the Thunder (Wade vs Westbrook) Portland (Wallace vs LeBron) or the Lakers (mike Brown vs Pat riley 2.0)

The NBA's cap isn't going down, and the Heat added Payton to get his ring- think next year they can't add Camby? Depending on the CBA- chances are even a hard-cap is going to give min/mid/sizable-level exceptions

Add in players looking to PJ Brown themselves a ring for 2-3M and no issues there- plus Wade and LeBron have only gotten better at playing together- and unless the Knicks find away to add CP3 - no other trio is CLOSE to the Heathree.

and I'll bet on Wade staying 100% more than Amare, given recent history.


You really have to remember that from here on out, the Heat are only getting older. There is no guarantee that the salary cap for the NBA is going to stay the same. By the looks of it, the salary cap will only be lowered, to help out the smaller market teams from losing money. Will the Heat be willing to spend a big amount of money in luxury tax to keep the franchise going?

In three years with 30 year old Lebron, 30 year old Bosh, 33 year old Wade, you still think they will be championship contenders?

Teams that you wrote off like the Oklahoma City Thunder will have a 25 year old Durant, Ibaka will be 24, James Harden will be 24, Westbrook will be 25.

Wade, Lebron, Bosh won't have the same legs they do right now in three years. In three years they will be at their end of their primes, while players like Westbrook, Harden, Durant, Ibaka will be in their primes, with fresher legs. Also, the Heat reached the finals this year, you expect them to reach the Finals at least 3 more times in their reign and successfully win with what they have got signed for the future? 76 Million for James, Wade, Bosh, Anthony, Haslem, Miller in 2014-2015?


the Heat are only getting older.

-- Show me the star in the 2011 draft class that is going to blow the T-Wolves into the finals. Heck show me the guy in college right now that you would take over Bosh, heck you taking ANYONE from 2009 to 2012 that is going to be better than Bosh other than Blake?

Dirk is 32 (I.E Bosh in FIVE years)
Paul is 33, (I.E LeBron in SIX years)
Jason Kidd is 107 -

so they have time to pile up title chances.

Lets keep in Mind Shaq signed for the MINIMUM to get a 5th ring.

players in 2012 who could paytonize a ring

Antonio McDyess
Marcus Camby
James Posey
Ben Wallace
Antawn Jamison

Any of those could sign for a mid or even the vet min to get a ring (The NBA CBA- no matter what- don't care if you sign a future HOF or a scrub with that exception)

Lets keep in mind that in 2014-15, the Thunder will have 29M gone

For Collison, Perkins and Durant, and cole aldridge. Add in Westbrook's 20+M and there is not gonna be much room for anyone in OKC either.


Teams are not going to stay stagnant. If you learned anything from KG going to the Celtics, or Pau Gasol going to the Lakers, you will know that teams are going to build their teams to beat the best. Right now, the best would be to beat the Heat. The Heat will have targets on their back, and teams will eventually figure them out and will be built to beat the heat.

Also, barring any trade and assuming all six players in Wade, James, Bosh, Anthony, Haslem, Miller all pick up their contracts in the 2014-2015 season, they will have been together for a very long time. Has there been any team to win 4 championships with at least 6 players being on the same team?

Last thing is, not all veterans are going to go to Miami for the veterans minimum. It's a business, and a job for the players. If some contending team in the future offers veterans more money, it's more than likely they will take the money. In a perfect world, Miami would win 4+ championships, but Miami will eventually slow down in a few years, and teams will start to figure them out, like teams figured the Lakers and Celtics out.


Has there been any team to win 4 championships with at least 6 players being on the same team?


Lakers 82/85/87/88

Cooper
Rambis
Magic
Kareem

Thats 4 in a SEVEN year span. Problem is, you have a TON of movement of the bench in the Riley era- only two more players got rings from 85-88 era (Worthy and Scott)

Not to mention these teams went to the Finals NINE times in that "era" running into some team from Boston, Detroit and some bald guy in Chicago

See any teams like THOSE in today's NBA? Anything CLOSE?

The 80s NBA had MULTIPLE teams with 2 or MORE Hall of Famers on it

I count FOURTEEN teams just off the top of my head- how many you got right now?

lets keep in mind that the movement you mention can also happen in Miami- they don't have to KEEP Miller all the years of his contract, who knows if he might retire?

The problem is this, look at Ray Allen, Kidd, KG - these players have over a ELEVEN HUNDRED games on them- and still going strong, Kobe has 1103 on them.


Wade 547
Bosh 586
LeBron 627

They are barely HALFWAY- so 6+ years is WELL in range for the Heathree.

June 5, 2011  02:11 PM ET

Even if they lose this season, the starting line can only improve.

You also will have to wait if the NBA will set the Salary Cap lower after the CBA agreement. If they do, the 3 will have to disband earlier than expected.

June 5, 2011  02:12 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

Even if they lose this season, the starting line can only improve.You also will have to wait if the NBA will set the Salary Cap lower after the CBA agreement. If they do, the 3 will have to disband earlier than expected.

Just a question: why would the NBA set it lower?

June 5, 2011  02:15 PM ET

Owners are wanting to lower the Cap, If that happens, I'm not even sure the Big 2.5 can be on same team after the salaries start to increase. Bosh would likely end up being traded for an actual big body and a draft pick.

June 5, 2011  02:17 PM ET
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Just a question: why would the NBA set it lower?

Several teams are reporting losses on the financial book, So the owners want to reduce the salary cap and reduce the max player contract as well.

June 5, 2011  02:18 PM ET

Aren't they going to grandfather in the old contracts?

June 5, 2011  02:19 PM ET
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Aren't they going to grandfather in the old contracts?

I would think so.

June 5, 2011  02:19 PM ET

I don't know if there will be a season next year. The owners want to cut back something like 20%. I think that lockout will be a lot uglier than what we are currently seeing in the NFL.

June 5, 2011  02:21 PM ET

Bucky. They probably would grandfather the old contracts in. That's why players are trying to sign contracts now instead of after the new CBA. But, the new CBA only helps my argument in that it's imperative that the cap lowers for the NBA to keep running. Lower salary cap means, more luxury tax paid from the Heat the more people they sign. I personally think that Bosh is getting overpaid, and nobody is going to take that contract on.

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June 5, 2011  02:36 PM ET

HOOD, you seem to think otherwise, you should be a competitor.

June 5, 2011  02:56 PM ET

I cant see them winning anything unless they get a real bench

June 5, 2011  02:59 PM ET

It's an honor to challenge Dj..lol I accepted his friend request just now from 2 years ago..:P

June 5, 2011  03:02 PM ET
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It's an honor to challenge Dj..lol I accepted his friend request just now from 2 years ago..:P

Finally hooking up with the ladies DJ, way to go Boi!

June 5, 2011  03:08 PM ET

I'm not actually a girl, lady, transvestite, ****, sandwich maker...just a regular dude. Sorry.

June 5, 2011  03:09 PM ET
QUOTE(#14):

I'm not actually a girl, lady, transvestite, ****, sandwich maker...just a regular dude. Sorry.

DJ will be disappointed... you should meet Cain, he walks a thick line.

June 5, 2011  03:11 PM ET
QUOTE(#14):

I'm not actually a girl, lady, transvestite, ****, sandwich maker...just a regular dude. Sorry.

You should have mentioned this after DJ's first argument, now he'll must likely drop this.

June 5, 2011  03:19 PM ET
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DJ will be disappointed... you should meet Cain, he walks a thick line.

LOL.

June 5, 2011  03:19 PM ET

Whats up, Mjolnir?

June 5, 2011  03:20 PM ET
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You should have mentioned this after DJ's first argument, now he'll must likely drop this.

M-O-S-T

Just helping out the Spelling Attendant.

 
June 5, 2011  03:20 PM ET
QUOTE(#16):

You should have mentioned this after DJ's first argument, now he'll must likely drop this.

I may. This seems like an "Easy Win" attempt....

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