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JimJ77 Best in the World! said 06/18, 01:28 PM
Wikipedia is a great tool for guys like you. Let's look at records and not watch fights.

Let's look at facts. According to Freddie Roach, the best boxing trainer on the planet, Penn has the best boxing in MMA. He is the greatest LW fighter in the history of MMA. He was the first American to win the BJJ world championships.

Now you say he is 0-2 in his last two fights at LW. Correct, but both of those losses are to the #1 guy. I never said he was #1 at LW, I said #2. And the 1st fight the majority of the MMA world had Penn winning against Edgar.

Now his WW record. 1-3-1. 1st fight he lost a controversial split decision to GSP, the #1 WW. He then fought Matt Hughes who was the champ at the time and won the 1st two rounds before breaking a rib, and losing in the 3rd. He lost to GPS once again, who's the #1 guy. He then KO'd Hughes in 22 seconds and fought the #2 WW in the world to a draw, where the president of the UFC said he won the fight.

So don't sit here and look up fighter records on Wikipedia and then not even list who is better than him at each weight class.

Lastly, please name 5 better LW's than Penn and stop talking out of your ass homeboy. Start naming names.

JimJ77 Best in the World! said 06/19, 11:20 AM
I find it strange that you state you have been an MMA fan for many years but in your 1st arg you say that you do not have a ton of MMA knowledge. Were you sleeping during those events? But I digress.

Moving on. Now that you have admitted Penn is #2 a welterweight, lets focus on Penn's status in the LW division, shall we.

You see pretty hung up on Penn's 2 losses at LW, and I still don't know where you rank him in said division, but lets break it down.

Prior to those two losses, Penn destroyed everyone in his path at LW. He demolished Diego Sanchez stuffing 27 takedown attempts, and stopping him with a kick, where it looked like Diego took an axe to his forehead. After this fight, everyone declared Penn the greatest ever at LW, and said no one would ever beat him.

He then fought Edgar at UFC 112 where he was an 8-1 favorite. According to almost every MMA fan, media outlet, and even fightmetric, Penn won the fight, but was robbed by the judges. That's not making excuses, thats the reality of the situation.

He lost the rematch fair and square, so now I rank him #2 in the LW division. I'm still waiting on your list, not weird comparisons of Penn to a baseball player.

JimJ77 Best in the World! said 06/19, 10:42 PM
WTF? OK. Where to start? First, none of my MMA buddies have even voted on this.

He's not the BJ Penn that once was? Fighting the #2 WW in the world to a draw is not once was? He's not even a natural WW and he beat Fitch 2 out of 3 rounds. And Fitch is ahead because he lost two rounds to a smaller fighter? What sense does that make?

So you finally listed names. You have Maynard and Edgar ahead of him. So I need to argue that he's better than Maynard because you have Penn ranked 3rd. BJ has better boxing than Maynard. His BJJ is light years ahead of Maynards. Maynards only path to victory is to take Penn down for 3 rounds and lay on top of him.

2 issues with that. First, Maynard would have a hell of a time taking Penn down. Great wrestlers like Hughes, GSP, and Fitch had a hard time taking Penn down, and Maynard a 155 fighter can take him down? Penn has been taken down 3 times in his career at LW.

Now, if Maynard could take him down, Penn has one the best guards in MMA. I doubt Maynard could do much. Even he knows it, AS HE TURNED DOWN AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIGHT PENN ALREADY!

So, in closing Penn is the #2 guy at LW. He beat the #2 guy at WW 2 of 3 rounds, so he's #2 at WW