- 06/20/2011, 02:36PM ET
U. Wrex said 06/20, 02:36 PM
1. Rodgers-27-Easily the best.
2. Ryan-26-Among this group was second in yards and tied for first in TDs.
3. Freeman-23-Great TD/Pick ratio and second highest rating among group.
4. Flacco-26-3rd highest rating and second best completion percent.
5. Cutler-28-Crappy Oline and crapppy WR but still good numbers.
6. Bradford-23-Lead the Rams to more wins in one year(7) than they had the previous 3(6).
7. Fitzpatrick-28-Not the most accurate but he made the Bills a challenging opponet to beat.
8. Sanchez-24-Below average numbers but he wins(mainly because of the defense).
9. Stafford-23-Hasn;t stayed health but when he has he has shown glimpses of greatness.
10. Tebow-25-Took over Orton's posotion.
Orton-Great year until Tebow took over.
Flynn-Has looked good but not enough playing time.
Hip Hip Jorge said 06/20, 02:59 PM
1) Aaron Rodgers
2) Matt Ryan
3) Josh Freeman
4) Joe Flacco
5) Jay Cutler
6) Sam Bradford
7) Mark Sanchez
Fitzpatrick has shown only a couple signs of brilliance over this pass year. His stats though are way inflated. He put up his best numbers this year against bad teams such as JAC and CIN. He got killed against teams like NE and CHI.
Sanchez has the experience and better stats then Fitzpatrick. He has played in the playoffs, he has won big games, and even with a good defense, he still has better numbers then Fitzpartrick.
I think Sanchez is the better QB.
8) Ryan Fitzpatrick
9) Matthew Stafford
10) Kyle Orton
He is still a better QB then Tebow as of right now. He has posted decent numbers the past couple of years and as soon as Tebow starts consistently playing, its only a matter of time before defenses find a way to stop him.
I think that Orton's style of play will help him get farther along as a NFL QB and I think we will see him starting away from the Broncos soon enough.
U. Wrex said 06/20, 08:27 PM
Sanchez vs Fitzpatrick:
Fitz: 231ypg, 23TD, 15INT, 57.8%comp, 81.8PR
San: 206ypg, 17TD, 13INT, 54.4%comp, 70.4 PR
So Fitz has the better stats but he doesn;t win as much. Why doesn;t he win as much? Because his team isn;t stacked like Sanchez's.
Sanchez has the 4th best rush offense compared to Fitz 18th. He also has the 9th best scoring defense while Fitz has the 28th.
Who do they get to throw to?
Fitz: Only one of his WR had previously had a 1000 yard season
San: 3 of his WRs had 1000 yard seasons and one has the superbowl MVP.
So Fitz puts up better stats with worse talent around him.
Fitz also put up 19.9ppg while his back ups put up 8.0ppg. That is a huge increase from the backups to Fitz and shows how effective a QB Fitz is.
Orton vs Tebow:
They both had the same offense to work with and the same defense.
Tebow lead the offense to 25.0 ppg while Orton only lead them to 20.7 ppg. That's a huge increase in offensive production and shows that Tebow is a more effective QB.
Tebow also lead the team in pass in 2 out of his 3 starts showing that not only can he throw the ball but he can also run it.
Hip Hip Jorge said 06/20, 09:41 PM
Tebow vs Orton
Yes, Tebow did lead his team to 25 PPG, you may have forgotten to mention that he started in only 3 games last season. Also he lost two of them and only beat Houston by 1, 4 TD's and 3 INT's is nothing good on the passing side either.
In 2 out of 3 starts, you are still forgetting that shows nothing. He only played 3 out of 16 games. Orton performed day in and day out. Tebow had one good start and did mediocre the rest of his starts.
Sanchez vs Fitz
That is a huge waste of positions right there, thats not the defenses fault or the receivers fault. You even put it yourself thats Fitz was less accurate.
Fitz is older and should have slightly better number then Sanchez. Even being younger Sanchez is more clutch against better teams, as I said earlier Fitzpatrick inflates his stats against crappy teams.
Even with a longer career, Fitzpatrick has less experience and only slightly better numbers. Think about how this experience will help Sanchez be elite very soon.
MMTC, will get to Sanchez's team next argument.
U. Wrex said 06/21, 04:11 PM
The thing about Tebow is that he took over the last 3 games. The team was 3-10. The players had not effort left in them and could really care less if they won any more games. Their season was over. Add that to the fact that the team was already terrible and Tebow has a huge battle to fight for success.
Just him winning one game and improving the offense is quite the accomplyish meant with the odds stacked against him.
Also under Orton the Broncos only scored 20+ points in 5 out of his 13 starts. Tebow lead the offense to 20+ points in each of his 3 starts. So the offense is more efficient under Tebow.
So Fitz had one more TO but he was also asked to do more for his team. Fitz has to try and make plays to win games. QBs will turn the ball over a few times when they have to make plays.
Sanchez was asked to manage the game and not turn the ball over yet he only turned it over one less time than Fitzpatrick.
Stats for throws 11 or more yards:
San-75/170, 44.1%, 12Td, 10INT,1724yards
Fitz-66/152, 43.4%, 15Td, 9INT, 1412 yards
So neither was very good but Fitzpatrick was way better when he had to make somewhat dangerous throws.
No room left.
Good TD Jorge.
Hip Hip Jorge said 06/21, 04:34 PM
You say the team was out of energy. Well one, they probably were not and wanted to fight to prove that they were better then they had played. Two, if you go by your philosophy, then the teams they played probably had gave up to.
Look who they played: Oakland: out Houston: out and San Diego: out. They had nothing to fight for either and there defense probably was done, this made it easier for Tebow.
Do you think because of Tebow they scored 20+:
One: the teams they played sucked other then the Chargers.
Two: They played good defense and a decent running game for 2 of those games
I will give it to Tebow that against Houston he played outstanding but that is 1 game, that mean nothing to how good he will be in the future.
Sanchez actually turned it over 6 less times. Plus, the stats you put show that Sanchez is farther better. 170 ATT to 152 ATT, shows that Sanchez tries to make more plays instead of Fitz like you said.
Two, in those stats Fitz averages a pick every 16.8 throws so if he had thrown the same amount he would have the same amount of picks.
Sanchez also has the better %. Overall Sanchez is the better QB
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