- 06/21/2011, 04:20PM ET
YODA said 06/21, 04:20 PM
NOTE: Per tourney rules, "Big Buff" is excluded from this Throwdown. (You can't spell Dustin Byfuglien without the "FUGLI")
Here are my 5 guys:
(listed in reverse alphabetical order by last name)
1. Shea Weber: Exceptionally well-rounded player. A leader with no major weaknesses in his game.
2. Lubomir Visnovsky: A dynamic and experienced D-man. He's blossomed into a top contributor by continuing to round out his skill set year after year.
3. Nicklas Lidstrom: A great leader with a wealth of experience that includes several deep playoff runs. This ultimate team player even has a legitimate case to be called the #2 or #3 D-man of all-time.
4. Drew Doughty: Mature well beyond his years (21 yrs old). Strong and energetic. The Kings are poised to make some serious noise in the West these next few seasons; this young guy's a key reason.
5 Zdeno Chara: A lethal combination of size, skill, physicality, and smart decision making.
I'll expand on the reasons for my choices (including stats and so forth) in the next args based on which guys you decide to swap out.
Good luck, BlueJackets.
BrownsBucksBlueJackets said 06/22, 09:02 AM
An excellent lineup, in fact mine looks very similar minus one.
Center = L Visnovsky. The fact is this guy plays like a center, as it is. He just lines up at D
RW = Doughty. Good size, good nose for the net. A little nastiness.
FW = Chara. He sometimes plays in front of the net on the PP. This is like Holmstorm+.
RD = Shea Weber. His abilites are getting better and better. Total package. Good skating, good passing, hard shot, and he plays with an edge.
LD - K Letang. He has great wheels, and superior passing. A perfect set up guy from the point, he sees everywhere on the ice. He is not going to bowl people over with a physical game, but he is not going to shy away from contact, either.
I like your Lidstorm selection. My reservation towards him is purely a statiscal one. His plus/minus last season was (I believe) the lowest of his career. A sign of things to come or reflection of a couple bad stretches with the Wings having too many regulars out with injuries? I personally do not believe his game has slipped, however, it cannot ignored.
This is my first throwdown, and other than not selecting Big Buff, I was not told if we could have identical selections?
YODA said 06/23, 02:19 AM
No problem with overlap picks as there's never enough space to debate too many changes.
I agree Chara is a force in front of net. But I want him clearing out those bodies in his own end (like he did masterfully during the B's Cup run). A backend of Chara and Lidstrom is virtually impenetrable.
That gives me Lubomir up front centering 2 young energetic wingers. Weber has the size (6'4", 235) and edge to stir it up.
Given his age, your reservation about a possible slowdown deserves exploration. But the more I explore it, the more impressed I am with Lidstrom.
Nick played a full 82 gms.
Among D-men, he tied for 4th (league-wide) in goals. The more offensively-minded Letang tied for 28th.
Nick's excellent decision-making was also evident; he gave the puck away just 33 times. (Letang: 52 GvA)
In the playoffs (our most recent sample of play), Nick tied for 2nd overall in D-men goals - despite playing just 2 series!
11 GP, 4 G, 4 A, +8. He's still got it.
The 7 time Norris winner has seen every imaginable type of game scenario. On this team stacked with captains, Nick is the ideal Admiral of the Fleet.
BrownsBucksBlueJackets said 06/23, 08:37 AM
Chara's reach is a sight to behold-it seems like he can cover literally half the ice, which is exactly why he will be perfect in front of the net. No D-man can move him out, no goalie can see thru him, plus any rebound he is going to scoop up and deposit into the back of the net. I have him on wings b/c he sometimes pushes the puck up ice with only one hand, and if you noticed at points in the year he turned the puck over b/c of it, getting pickpocketed.
Lidstrom is an Admiral (I think that is great nick-name, btw) and a first ballot HOF for sure. He still has a great skill set. I also think Lidstrom is heavily aided by the fact he has played with many of the same guys for years and years, maybe hiding that lost step, or slightly off pass. l see today's NHL as much about speed mixed in with the vision and smarts, which is exactly why I picked Letang. I think he makes everyone on that Pens team better, and the fact the Pens succeeded without Crosby and Malkin for the stretch highlights both his play, and his ability to raise the bar without 2 all-stars being gone. Letang doesn't have as many Cups or Norris trophys, but he also hasn't been in the league 20 years.
YODA said 06/24, 04:17 AM
You make a valid point about Chara's size; he could likely make an impact at any position. However, given that Chara just achieved the ultimate NHL goal in captaining his team to Stanley Cup glory, I can't see enough upside in tinkering with his natural position. I think the best move is to keep his skillset and intimidation factor as-is on D.
You're right that Lidstrom has benefited from being part of a strong org in Detroit. But Lidstrom is an instrumental reason why the Wings have been so consistently productive to begin with. He's the worthy successor to Stevie Y and makes everyone around him better. Even elite guys like Weber and Doughty stand to benefit from Lidstrom's wisdom.
Letang did impress this season. But it's a little misleading to say that he was able to raise the bar without Crosby.
Here are Letang's splits (NHL.com):
1st Half (with Sid): 7 G, 28 A, plus 21
2nd Half (no Sid): 1 G, 14 A, minus 6
Quite a dropoff.
Letang IS solid and he's made nice improvements to many aspects of his game...but he still has a step or two to climb.
Thanks for the TD...and congrats on your team picking up Carter (Nash must be lovin' it).
BrownsBucksBlueJackets said 06/24, 10:25 PM
I think Chara's D ability will make him an even better wing b/c he will be able to work the corners like he does in the D zone. With the reach, size, and hands this team is going to "tee it up" for shots.
Lidstrom deserved the "C" after Stevie Y. He has remained consistent for a long time, and a Wings team without him on the starting line will be a sad day, IMO. I feel a team with Lidstrom would be very good. I feel my lineup would be just 1 goal/shift/game better.
Letangs numbers did drop after Sid, then Malkin went down - Sid was on pace for a possible scoring title, and Letang was benefitting from that, no doubt. Look after the all-star break, no Sid, no Geno, how many one-goal games the Pens were in, how many OT games, how many SO's and Letang's ice time. He is the guy you just want on the ice, when the game is on the line.
totally excited about Carter coming to CBJ !! hopefully a great season coming
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