- 06/30/2011, 05:59PM ET
Hip Hip Jorge said 06/30, 05:59 PM
Alright this is a argument of in order who are the best pitchers in Philadelphia this year. This is only counting Hamels, Lee, and Halladay though. This is based on their performance to date and not completely on how they are doing currently
1) Roy Halladay
He has the most wins, least losses, better ERA, more IP, more K's and less walks then any other Phillies pitcher. Wins and Losses are usually not fair to judge pitchers by but they have the exact same team behind them.
2) Cole Hamels
Leads Lee in everything except for IP and K's. He also has the best WHIP and BA out of every pitcher in the lineup. He is coming back and beyond his old form and will be one of the great young pitchers in the game for years to come.
3) Cliff Lee
Having a outstanding June and has been pitching amazing of late but I do not think that over the season he can compare to his teammates. He does not lead either of them in a single category and I think that Hamels and Halladay are better then him so far.
Good Luck, HHJ
DJRoxalot said 06/30, 08:37 PM
1-Hamels, 97 pitches per game to Halladay's 113. Less is better in this case.
Doesn't seem like much but it is huge in todays game where pitchers are under a microscope. Never underestimate a pitchers efficiency when it comes to their pitch count.
The only stat Halladay leads? Is in K's (and its close) and IP.
W's and L's? Horrible way to judge a starting pitcher since they have no control over the bullpen.
2-Halladay is an excellent pitcher but I think Hamels has pitched a little better this season.
.241 batting average against indicates he is not as unhittable as many think.
Batters are hitting just .210 off Hamels? That is a huge difference.
3-Lee is an ace in a talented trio of pitchers.
But he is not pitching as well as the other 2. Even with the 4 shutouts he has pitched. However when you take away those 4 games his ERA is 3.76 and that is not as consistent as the other 2 have been.
Hip Hip Jorge said 07/01, 12:04 PM
Hope I held of long enough DJ and good luck.
Alright really? Pitches per game, this just shows that Halladay has a better arm and can go later into games which is why he has more IP. Why would it be worse to pitch more if you can get the job done.
Also Halladay leads in ERA by .01, he leads in K's and BB's, he leads in CG, he leads in IP, and he has more W/L so that is 6 categories going his way. Hamels only leads in WHIP and AVG but he still loses in ERA so Halladay is even more clutch.
So take out W/L and ERA and Halladay still leads in nearly every category except for 2, how can you say Hamels is better.
I do not think that WHIP and AVG matter very much if you still don't give up runs. So you let less people on base, so? If they don't score then who cares about them.
I think that Halladay has the experience and the stats over Hamels this year and should be the number 1 instead of the number 2 on this list
DJRoxalot said 07/02, 10:21 AM
Halladay has a better arm? No it means the coaching staff does not hold the same pitch counts to all players. Hamels is 7 years younger at 27 to Halladay's 34. You would think the Phillies would want to start watching pitch counts so they don't end up with a key player on the DL.
Halladay leads in ERA by .01? Its a wash, .01 does not indicate Halladay is clutch.
Hamels BA against is a huge difference. .31 difference.
Hamels leads the majors in WHIP. And it is one of the more important stats along with ERA and BA against.
Because letting players reach base? Means they have the potential to score and makes a managers hair go prematurely gray.
Complete games are nice but with the bullpen? Not as important as they used to be in the 1960's through 1980's.
If you are soooo impressed by complete games and what not, why not pick Lee? He has 4 shutouts. Halladay has 0.
I will tell you why, there is more to the game than complte games and a .01 difference in ERA. And the SO's and BB? 13 more K's and 5 fewer BB? Not a big deal. We are infatuated with K's because they are nice but a groundout is the same result. An out.
.210 is better than .241.
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