- 07/17/2011, 11:07AM ET
JimJ77 Can't make it up said 07/17, 11:07 AM
It appears the lockout is ending soon, so its time to start talking some football.
I'm saying right now, that the Pats will win the AFC this season. My opponents goal is to name a team with a better chance of representing the AFC in the superbowl than the Patriots.
Pretty simple. Name the team in the 1st arg, and we'll debate in the 2nd and 3rd args.
Everyone knows who my team is.
PatsFan21 said 07/17, 03:54 PM
My choice is the Cincinnati Bengals
The Bengals will go all the way this year.
I've got the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Don't really see the point of list first here but whatever.
Good Luck Jim
JimJ77 Can't make it up said 07/17, 09:21 PM
Ok, time to argue.
The Pats are coming off a 14-2 season with a very young roster. The offense was ranked #1 in the NFL in points scored with 32.4 PPG. Pittsburgh was 12th with 23.4 PPG.
The Pats offense will mostly remain intact. And with Brady coming off one of the best seasons for a QB ever, I look for him and the offense to put up a lot of points. The Pats have the better offense.
The Pats defense is a point of contention with many, but lets take a deeper look.
They finished 8th in yards allowed in the NFL for one. They were 25th in points allowed at 19.6 PPG, but only gave up 9.4 PPG after Thanksgiving. I contribute most of this to the defense being very young, and playing better as the season progressed. The defense will continue to get better this season under Bill Belichick.
I think the Steelers are very good, especially on defense, but I feel the Pats are better at two key spots. QB and coach.
Also Brady and the Pats have OWNED Pitt over the last decade. They squashed them in Pitt last season.
Add in the Hines Ward and James Harrison debacles, which will no doubt cause a distraction heading into the season for them, and the Pats are the better choice.
PatsFan21 said 07/18, 09:45 AM
A few reasons it won't be the Pats:
1) The Pats lack a big stretch-field type WR. Theire top 3 receivers all basically all the same player, Branch, Edelman, and Welker, small quick possession receivers. Because of that, the Pats have to base their entire offense off short quick passing plays. The only way for that to be successful is too have great...
2) Timing. Unfortunately the Pats will be hit hard by the lockout length. I know they have an amazing vet QB, but their offense is unique in which their receivers don't run set routes like most teams do. Their O is based off timing and reads. So it would take a long time for a new WR to get adjusted and the current offense has had no time to get their timing back. The Pats O will be hit harder than most teams due to their system.
3) The O-Line- The O-Line could be awful this year. Looks like Light is leaving and Solder's just a rook. Mankins could leave as well depending on what he asks for $ wise. This line is old, declining and could be a problem.
While the Patriots do own Pitt, remember this TD is about who will represent the AFC in the SB, and the Pats are 0-4 in their last 4 playoff games.
JimJ77 Can't make it up said 07/18, 01:03 PM
I don't believe the lockout will have any affect on the Pats timing. In fact I think its ridiculous to even mention it.
Brady and the receivers have been together for many seasons. They even work out in the offseason together. These guys know each other so well, I cannot imagine they will be hurt by the lockout.
The offensive line is of little concern to me. In the event Light leaves, they drafted a LT in Solder with the 17th pick. Scouts rave about this kid, and I believe with the coaching of Dante Scarnecchia, who is the best O line coach in the business, Solder will be an upgrade over Matt "Turnstyle" Light.
Mankins is a very good player, but the Pats were 6-2 with and without him last season. I'm sure the Pats will bring him back into the fold, but either way, they will be fine at O line.
You mention the Pats past playoff failures. Well, first, they are 1-3 and not 0-4 in their last 4 playoff games.
I expect the losing streak to be broken this season. Brady, Belichick, and the young improving defense are too good to lose another playoff game this season.
I expect the Pats to make a run this season and if they meet up with Pitt, I think we both know who we like
PatsFan21 said 07/18, 04:57 PM
While Brady has had a similar group of weapons, timing is going to be way off. They have had no team excersises since the end of last season. That is a problem in a timing offense.
Solder's a rookie. No time to learn the system. He's going to need a lot more than one month.
Are the Pats losing their clutchness? They haven't won a playoff game since 2007.
The defense is still a major problem. The Pats have NO pass rush. Anyone that watched them last year saw that. They did nothing in the draft to address it and doesn't seem like they will. The defense is major problem.
Meanwhile, the Steelers are locked and loaded. They have a veteran QB in an offense that is a lot more straightforward than NE's. He has balanced WR's and a established deep threat. Add in 2 SB appearances in 3 years and you have a favorite to do it again. They have the league's best defense and a smashmouth attitude. They own the Ravens and get it done in the playoffs. Unfortunately, the Pats just haven't done that in a long time.
The Steelers simply have many less question marks. They were so close last year and are in prime position to be right back there again.
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