- 07/29/2011, 12:53PM ET
J-Business said 07/29, 12:53 PM
The Eagles got the best of this trade.
73.2 Passer Rating
2082 Passing Yards
And that's for his career
In exchange the Eagles received Domonique Cromartie, a Pro Bowl DB and get this, a 2nd rd draft pick.
So let me get this straight, the Eagles traded their backup QB (who they really didn't think too highly of since they drafted another QB Mike Kafka) for a All-Pro DB who is 2 yrs younger.
Received a 2nd rd draft pick.
The Eagles got the best of this trade hands down.
With the way Mike Vick has been playing, Kolb wasn't going to see the field for the next 4-5 years.
People might say, Vick's injury prone. Get this, he got his chance because Kolb was injured.
To trade a backup for an All-Pro and a 2nd rd draft pick is definitely a stroke of genius by the Eagles brass and shows why they've consistently been one of the best franchises in the past decade.
Marlins Fan said 07/30, 02:11 AM
At first glance, it would appear that you are right, and the Eagles "won" this trade.
But a closer, more in-depth look tells a different story.
Regardless of how you or I may view Kolb, or DRC and a 2nd round pick, the real issue here is which team filled a greater need.
Considering that Philly already had Asante Samuel, and today signed Nnamdi Asomugha, the truth of the fact is that DRC is a surplus piece, a luxury item at a deep position for the Eagles.
The Cardinals, on the other hand, were absolutely dreadful at the QB position last year. I mean they were woeful. Terrible. A travesty. Utterly incompetent.
On paper, DRC and a 2nd round pick may seem to be of greater value than Kolb.
But in reality, the Cardinals had a glaring hole that absolutely needed to be addressed, while Philly took a deep position and simply strengthened it.
It is impossible to win in the NFL without a QB who is decent, or even competent at the very least.
Arizona did NOT have a competent QB before signing Kolb.
Disregarding the popular opinion, taking a closer look shows that Arizona got a much more crucial piece than the Eagles did.
J-Business said 07/30, 04:32 AM
There's a reason why the Eagles are a model franchise and why the Cardinals are a team that goes into the post-season once a decade.
Kolb was a back-up. The Cardinals could have stuck to their guns and just got him for either DRC or the 2nd rd draft pick.
For the 2nd rd pick alone, they could have probably got Kyle Orton whom the Broncos are reportedly dangling.
But for both, they were actually in the superior position and didn't even realize it.
In terms of need, one thing you seem to be missing is that the Eagles had a horrible secondary and this was the main reason why they lost to the Packers in their first rd playoff match-up.
They filled a major need and signed Asomugha to create the best secondary in the league.
The Eagles are looking to complete with the Packers and Saints and remain one of the top 3 teams in the NFC.
The Cardinals see Kolb as a stable QB who hopefully will not be horrible and be decent enough to keep Fitzgerald around.
That's the big difference.
The Eagles made this move to keep pushing for the Superbowl whereas AZ is just trying to stay afloat.
The draft pick is just icing on the cake. For the Eagles that is.
Marlins Fan said 07/30, 02:01 PM
The Eagles did not have a horrible secondary last year. They had one CB that needed upgrading, and that was accomplished by signing Nnamdi Asomugha.
Again, DRC is an added bonus, depth at a deep position.
The Cardinals had a burning need to upgrade their QB position. Let's look at some stats from last year.
As a team, the Cardinals passed for a total of 10 TDs against 19 INTs.
Arizona QBs finished the season with a QB rating of 60.5!!!
These numbers are dreadful. Basically the Cardinals played every game with a HS level or Division 2 level college QB. Kolb is a major, major upgrade for them at QB.
The Eagles, on the other hand, added a nice CB in DRC, but one they didn't at all need.
To wit, the Eagles finished 2010 3rd in the NFL in INTs, with 23.
Sure, DRC is a good player, but the Eagles already had a top ranked secondary last year!
You argue that Kolb won't be good because he was a backup. This is an extremely flawed argument. Here are some QBs who were backups at some point before becoming starters.
Tom Brady. Michael Vick. Steve Young. Matt Schaub.
Out of room.
J-Business said 07/30, 03:58 PM
Honestly, this is a typical mediocre NFL franchise move and for the sake of argument, you're trying to make sense of it.
It's interesting how your entire argument is based upon some unproven fact that Kolb will resurrect the Arizona franchise.
Here are some facts to keep in mind.
Yes, the Cardinals passing was horrible last yr. But look at this stat:
The Cardinals gave up 50 sacks last yr (2nd most in the NFL).
Their offensive line has gotten noticeably better, yet they traded for a QB who was sacked 15 times in 5 starts.
Kolb is not mobile, so it's safe to say this will still be an issue.
The Eagles, their secondary was a major problem and gave up 31 passing TD's (3rd most in the NFL).
They traded for one of the best cornerbacks in the league.
The bottom line is that the Eagles traded their backup QB for an All-Pro D-back and a 2nd rd draft pick (which you failed to mention).
The Cardinals gave all of this up for a guy who started 7 games w/ a passer rating 73.2
DRC for Kolb, maybe that's arguable. But w/ the 2nd rd pick, it's not even close.
Marlins Fan said 07/31, 06:51 AM
I'm not saying that Kolb will ressurect anything, just that the Cardinals had such a desperate need at QB that they had to go out and get someone, and they did.
Philly needed a #2 CB, but they signed Asomugha the next day, so DRC is at this point, redundant.
True, Kolb was sacked a lot in Philly, but let's be honest. So did Mike Vick. Philly's O-Line isn't much stronger than Arizona's.
Regardless, Kolb is still a major upgrade to the less-than-mediocre QBs the Cardinals trotted out last year. I mean, Derek Anderson? John Skelton? Max Hall? Richard Bartel?
Who the **** is Richard Bartel?!?!
Again, Philly has Nnamdi Asomugha and Asante Samuel at CB. Guess it's a nice luxury to have a 3rd top-notch CB, but still... it's just a luxury.
It's like adding a new Caddy to your fleet of Rolls Royces. Nice, but by no means necessary.
Anyway, it's clear the majority of FN disagrees with me. Mainly because everyone is convinced Kolb is going to fail.
Must be nice being able to see into the future like that. Hell, next time I'm short on cash, I'm going to hit you guys up for some lotto numbers.
Good TD, J-Business. It was a pleasure.
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