- 08/04/2011, 10:57PM ET
Marlins Fan said 08/04, 10:57 PM
Obviously the Yankees and Red Sox have more of an all time rivalry than the Cardinals and Brewers. Plenty of duos do.
That's not what this TD is about.
This TD is about who has the most exciting rivalry right now.
Who would have the most entertaining series if the playoffs were to start right now?
That would be the Milwaukee Brewers and the St. Louis Cardinals.
Between the close division race, and the bad blood boiling from the incident the other day, no other rivalry currently has the dramatic story lines of St. Louis-Milwaukee.
For anyone that missed it, there was an incident 2 days ago in which a Milwaukee pitcher hit Albert Pujols on the hand, which started a whole bean ball episode involving Ryan Braun.
This was the same game in which Yadier Molina was so upset that when he was called out on strikes in the 10th inning, he lost it and berated the umpire over balls and strikes, bumping the ump and (unintentionally?) spitting in his face in the process and earning himself a 5 game suspension.
Tony La Russa got in on the act too, with some choice words for the Brewers after that game.
This drama is not over, and it'll be fun to watch.
Powertrip said 08/04, 11:34 PM
Man, your hatred of the Red Sox is something else, I'll give you that. You didn't specify that I pick the best rivalry, so I'll give the many...MANY reasons why the Cards and Brew Crew is not it.
Cardinals and Brewers is the 2nd closest race in the NL right now. They are tied for the 4th closest of the 6th division races. You may say it's exciting because the team that wins this division is the only one that will make the playoffs. That is because the division is a dumpster fire, and that there are 3 teams in the NL that are SOLIDLY better than either. Whoever wins this division is dead as disco in the first round of the playoffs, whether they play the Giants, the Phillies, or the Braves. That does not make it interesting right now, if you know they have no chance going forward. I could argue that the Toronto v. Tampa Bay "rivalry" is the best if this was posted 5 hours ago, as they were tied in extra innings.
If the playoffs started right now, the Cardinals would be out of it, and the Brewers would get trounced by the Braves. That makes a pretty lame rivalry bro.
Better Rivalries: Sox Yanks, Phils Braves, Giants DBacks.
FAR from the best rivalry, faaaar!!! GLOTR.
Marlins Fan said 08/04, 11:59 PM
Well, I'm not sure where your first sentence came from, because I actually don't hate the Yankees or Red Sox.
I have a lot of respect for both franchises, and to be quite frank, the only MLB team I truly hate is the Philadelphia Phillies. It's a jealousy thing.
Anyway, I think you may have missed the point of the ThrowDown.
This isn't about which division has the tightest race. That kind of thing isn't arguable, it's just facts.
This is about which rivalry is the most compelling.
Not division races, but the rivalry.
The fact that St. Louis and Milwaukee are in a close division race only adds to the intrigue of the rivalry.
You list three 'rivalries' that are better, in your opinion. Yankees-Red Sox, Phillies,-Braves, and Giants-Diamondbacks.
Yes, the Yanks and Sox have a better all time rivalry.
But there hasn't been much drama or any kind of story line this year. And the competition has been one sided, with Boston winning 8 of the 9 games between the two clubs.
The Phillies and Braves have a great battle going on right now in the NL East, but not much of a rivalry.
And the Giants and D-Backs? WTF?
Powertrip said 08/05, 12:21 AM
Ok you mention a great battle for the Phillies and Braves, arguably the 2 best teams in the NL. I would agree. But that's not much of a rivalry...why? Because there has been no drama recently? By that logic, would the greatest rivalry of July 8th have been Red Sox and Orioles because of this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3iphLDvTDI
Of course not. Because the Orioles suck, and everybody knows it. It was compelling to see the next game, but a compelling rivalry?? No way.
Boston has won 8 of 9 against the Yankees, that is true. They play the Yankees 5 more times this month, and 9 more times before the playoffs. Are they going to go 8-1 again for a season series of 16-2 against the Yankees, who they're tied with, in the most intense division in the major leagues? Of course not. That's why you watch. That's why it's an interesting rivalry RIGHT NOW.
If the Yankees and Sox were playing on one channel, and the Brewers and Cards were playing on another, which RIVALRY would you watch? Which RIVALRY would 9 out of 10 baseball fans be compelled to watch? Of course it's the Yanks Sox.
1 night of drama, which was a bad decision by LaRussa, does not an interesting rivalry make!
Marlins Fan said 08/05, 11:49 PM
Somehow you keep confusing rivalries with division races.
The Cardinals and Brewers rivalry is more compelling because of the bad blood that's boiling between the teams right now.
It's a pretty simple sentiment.
And again, the fact that they have a close division battle brewing right now is just the icing on the cake.
If the Yankees and Sox were playing on one channel, and the Brewers and Cards were playing on another, which RIVALRY would you watch?
Honestly, the St. Louis-Milwaukee game.
Why? Because of the bad blood boiling between the two teams. Plain and simple.
Obviously the Yankees-Red Sox have more history, and it goes to reason that in the long run, that match up will be the one with more staying power.
But right now, the Cardinals and Brewers rivalry is more compelling.
Powertrip said 08/06, 12:43 AM
The Yankees just beat the Red Sox in Fenway to take the lead in the division. Striking out AGon with the bases loaded in the 5th, then rallying to win by 1. So much for the Red Sox owning the Yankees. This rivalry is the most compelling by far because both the teams are very good, and even without the history, right now they are playing for the division lead.
You say the "close" race in the laughable NL Central is the icin on the cake. But if I mention that the Sox and Yanks were playing for the lead in baseball's best division, I am somehow confused about this TD. I am not. You are confused by thinking any fan finds the Cards and Brewers rivalry more compelling right now. It just isn't. One night of bad blood does not make it more interesting. Not even close. You keep mentioning "if the playoffs started today..."
If they started today the Cards would be home watching, and the Yanks would have just wrapped up first in the AL. Your choice is wrong. Yanks Sox is WAY more compelling, now and probably forever.
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