- 08/08/2011, 03:47PM ET
tintedglass said 08/08, 03:47 PM
I select the Green Bay Packers.
If there was an NFC version of 'the Patriot way'... it would have to be 'the Packer way'.
This is an organization that has done things the right way. The way they handled the Favre-Rodgers transition is a perfect example.
This aside, the Packers are definitely the frontrunner for the NFC North title.
In addition to winning the Superbowl last year, there really isn't much competition for their division this year.
The Lions have a lot of potential, but the injury bug has already started to bite. Plus.. well.. they are the Lions.
The Vikings are going with a withered Donovan McNabb and likely an over-drafted rookie at some point, and they figure to be rebuilding.
The Bears have the most potential as they look to have a great defense again, but the same inconsistant offense.
No, it is the Pack that will emerge victorious. A top-3 offense combined with a top-5 defense combined with superbowl expectations and a proven leader/superstar quarterback in Aaron Rodgers.
The return of Ryan Grant should squeeze some more production out of the running game as well, which is very scary thing indeed.
MTC, good luck
Rudedog: Believe The Hype said 08/08, 09:49 PM
Here's the dilemma I find myself in...
*Green Bay is the easy choice
*Chicago had a fluke season
*Detroit is cursed
That leaves Minnesota. Call it a homer pick, but I think it's the most reasonable one. And here's why I think they can win it.
History proves it's hard to repeat. I heard earlier today on Mike & Mike that, on average, there are 5 new playoff teams a year. Divisions routinely flip-flop and no one typically dominates a division. The Packers lost some key role players (Cullen Jenkins, Nick Barnett). They didn't add much and I don't like that.
The Vikings fixed their weakness. Coming into this year, the big question mark for the Vikings was the quarterback. McNabb has come in and I'm sold on him. Washington just wasn't a good fit for him. He has a fresh start with do-or-die consequences. I think he'll succeed.
The Vikings have the weapons. Adrian Peterson, Percy Harvin, Jared Allen, Chad Greenway just to name a few. All big players, all coming off big years. AP will be more involved in the pass game this year and Percy is set up for a breakout year. Allen and Greenway were bright spots on the defense last year.
tintedglass said 08/09, 08:50 AM
"*Green Bay is the easy choice"
An admission that Green Bay will win the division.
"*Chicago had a fluke season"
You're obviously FISHING for an excuse to make a homer pick, because there is no founded evidence to support this claim.
"History doesn't repeat itself"
...Except in the NFC North, I guess. Here are some repeats just this decade.[b] 02-04: Packers, 05-06: Bears, 07-08: Bears.
Oh, It's worth noting that [b]The BEARS won the division last year, so the Packers winning this year would NOT be a repeat of last year.
"The Vikings fixed their weakness"
What the Vikings did in bringing in McNabb is reminiscent of what the Lions did a few years back when they brought in washed-up former Viking Daunte Culpepper.
Every fan wants to convince himself that every move a team makes lands them as a superbowl contender. Unfortunately, McNabb was brought in as a mentor to his replacement, Christian Ponder. He was not brought in to lead them to a superbowl. Similar to the Hasselbeck-Locker situation in Tennessee.
Interesting how under 'weaknesses' you only mentioned McNabb...
There are many more issues with this team than QB, my friend.
Rudedog: Believe The Hype said 08/09, 09:42 PM
Bringing in McNabb is nothing like Culpepper in Detroit. McNabb can, and I believe will, be a successful QB this year. He had one bad year in a bad system with a bad coach in Washington. Given the weapons he has, I don't think he'll be bad. The offensive line is subpar, but McNabb has played with that before and is a good scrambling QB.
To me, the Packers are set up too good. They suffered some key injuries last year but won the SB. This year, everyone is healthy and the expectations are sky high. They are a SB or bust team. The problem is, look at the past SB winners in the following year
Saints - 11-5, 2nd in division
Pittsburgh - 9-7, 3rd in division
Patriots - 11-5, 2nd in division
Colts - 13-3, 1st in division
Pittsburgh - 8-8, 3rd in division
Once in the last 6 years has a SB champion came back the next year and won the division. The team got hot late and rode that wave to the title. In reality, if you slow Rodgers down, you put a big wrench in their gameplan. They haven't had a run game in years. Defensively, the secondary is aging fast.
Minnesota, however, has a much more balanced offense and the defense is young and improving
tintedglass said 08/09, 10:05 PM
Mcnabb - Culepper = irrelevant.
"The Packers are set up too good"
Really? THAT'S the argument? They have so many players back that they didn't have when they won the SUPERBOWL, that they can't possibly win the division now.
Maybe they would be better off if Rodgers, Jennings, Finley, Grant, and the entire secondary got injured. I mean, if they could win the superbowl with a slightly banged up team, they would go undefeated with a totally dismantled team!
I don't understand your arguments. It's like your arguments are almost an extension of mine.
The bottom line is that the Vikings are less talented on offense than the Lions, less powerful on defense than the Bears, and a worse football team all around than the Pack.
"Minnesota... has a much more balanced offense"
Minn: 27th Pass, 10th Pass, 29th scoring
GB: 5th pass, 24th Rush, 10th scoring
The fact that you even compared GB's offense to Minn's is laughable. The fact that you celled it more 'balanced' is just plain dumb.
Minn has 2 new coordinators, a new QB, and basically a new coach. They will not even CONTEND for the NFC North, much less win it.
Rudedog: Believe The Hype said 08/10, 09:38 AM
So let's recap your argument. The Packers are going to win the division because they won the Super Bowl and the Vikings won't because they sucked last year.
You provided no stats or anything to support the Packers winning. Instead you got all the Packers homers to vote for you.
You are over-exaggerating the Vikings changes. They had Frazier and Pagac last year. The only new thing is the offense. And given that they have plenty of veterans offensively, including Michael Jenkins who played under Musgrave, I forsee them being fine come Sept 11.
Greenbay also has a tough schedule. They host New Orleans, go to ATL, go to San Diego, host Tampa, and go to Kansas City.
The Vikings have an easier start with 3 of the first 5 games at home. Their road games are at SDG, KAN, CAR, and Washington. Given how good the Vikings are at home, I'm very confident in their chances at winning the division
So theres some stats for ya, something you chose to totally ignore. You never replied to my comment about past SB champs. You just are convinced the Vikings can't possibly win because they sucked last year and McNabb can't possibly recover from last year
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