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  • 08/10/2011, 12:17PM ET

ESPN is stupid

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ESPN's article on the Jays stealing signs is the dumbest thing ever written...

First off, there is apparently some guy dressed in white, raising his hands when a pitcher throws a breaking ball. They say he is sitting in the bleachers. Really? A guy 425+ yards away can see the sign that the catcher is putting down.

Their main evidence is that the Jays hit more HR in Toronto than on the road. This is the dumbest evidence I have ever heard. Of course the Jays hit better at home, Toronto plays in a hitters ballpark!

The Jays have a 36% increase in HR in Toronto than they do on the road, but it is a hitters ballpark. Texas has a 72% increase, Cleveland 40%, Milwaukee 37%, White Sox 35%, Reds 30%, and the Giants have a 67% decrease.

Then they say the Jays hit more HR than other teams in Toronto. Well of course they do! The Jays are a power hitting team!

They aren't built like Boston and the Yankees and try to draw walks, hitting coach Dwayne Murphy and former manager Cito Gaston always told hitters to swing at the first pitch and try to pull everything.


The Jays record at home is 28-27, on the road is 30-30.


ESPN is not stupid TSN is stupid! The statement of the Blue Jays stealing signs could be correct.


Toronto isn't a hitters ballpark. It's a pretty big ballpark. ESPN is a great company that broadcasts great sports.

You are seriously arguing that ESPN is stupid because they made an article offending your favorite baseball team?????


Toronto is a hitters park. With the dome closed the ball carries great, and when open there is a wind tunnel blowing the ball towards the bleachers.




But screw ESPN.

August 10, 2011  12:18 PM ET

Who was giving Boston the signs when they scored 30 runs on Toronto in two games?

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August 10, 2011  12:23 PM ET

They might be a little stupid but the single dumbest station on cable, without a doubt, is that overly biased FoxNews. I think they are one rant away from being a cult.

August 10, 2011  12:23 PM ET
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If he had binoculars.

But the article mentions nothing about binoculars or anything.

August 10, 2011  12:24 PM ET

And if Boston and the Yankees are so upset about this, wouldn't Scutaro or AJ Burnett be able to come out and say this is actually happening? Both are former Jays, and should know if this was really happening.

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August 10, 2011  12:28 PM ET

Then they say the Jays hit more HR than other teams in Toronto. Well of course they do! The Jays are a power hitting team!

They aren't built like Boston and the Yankees and try to draw walks,



Wow. The Jays must really suck then. They only try to hit for power and yet have fewer HRs than Boston and NY and far lower slugging percentage as a team.

August 10, 2011  12:28 PM ET
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He would obviously need them to see fingers, 400 feet away. You should go to the game and look for this guy.

That is another thing. You think the Yankees or Boston would take a video of this guy to confirm it, but there is no evidence of photos or video of a guy in white. Even when someone hits a HR to the section he is apparently in, there is no video of a guy in white there.

And MLB has received no complaints about the Jays stealing signs.


Besides, I'm not even sure if you had binoculars that you will be able to see the fingers. It is a long way to see such a small thing...

August 10, 2011  12:30 PM ET
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Wow. The Jays must really suck then. They only try to hit for power and yet have fewer HRs than Boston and NY and far lower slugging percentage as a team.

They hit more HR and had a higher SLG% last season.

This season, they are trying to go more on-base more and getting less pull friendly with Cito finally gone and AA (the GM) stressing OBP, and adding guys like Escobar, Rasmus, and Lawrie are helping with that. But they need to fire their hitting coach. He made Jose great, but screwed up everyone else on the team.

August 10, 2011  12:33 PM ET

Right now, Jose Bautista has better numbers on the road than at home. But in the article, all they do is go over how Jose had better numbers at home last season.

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August 10, 2011  12:38 PM ET
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Right now, Jose Bautista has better numbers on the road than at home. But in the article, all they do is go over how Jose had better numbers at home last season.

What a surprise
Another lie from Argos

Bautista road - 298/430/600/1030, 16 HR in 47 games
Bautista home - 329/466/689/1155, 17HR in 57 games

You would think an accountant could do simple math.

August 10, 2011  12:39 PM ET
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Sounds like all ESPN has is a bunch of nothing.

Sounds like Argos is a blatant liar.

August 10, 2011  12:40 PM ET
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What a surpriseAnother lie from ArgosBautista road - 298/430/600/1030, 16 HR in 47 gamesBautista home - 329/466/689/1155, 17HR in 57 gamesYou would think an accountant could do simple math.

I just looked at HR per at bat, cause that was the numbers that ESPN kept using. Didn't look at all the stats.

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August 10, 2011  12:42 PM ET

"What's even more awesome - these same players evidently were all sitting in the same bullpen at the end of 2009 season where they recall seeing the exact same man wearing the same clothes relaying signs. Righttttt.... Because of course a couple bullpen pitchers can without a doubt remember one fan out of the 81 games they play in a season in which they cross path with well over 2 Million different fans on the road in the course of a season. Can I sign these guys up as my defence lawyers next time I break the law??"

August 10, 2011  12:43 PM ET

Of course the Jays hit better at home, Toronto plays in a hitters ballpark!



Here is the truth (above 100 favors batter, below pitchers)

2005 - Slight hitters ballpark (102), Year Rogers opens
2006 - Neutral (100)
2007 - Slight pitchers ballpark (99)
2008 - Moderate pitchers ballpark (97)
2009 - Slight pitchers ballpark (99)
2010 - Slight hitters ballpark (101)
2011 - Considerable hitters ballpark (104)

I wonder why the sudden jump?

 
August 10, 2011  12:43 PM ET
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They hit more HR and had a higher SLG% last season.This season, they are trying to go more on-base more and getting less pull friendly with Cito finally gone and AA (the GM) stressing OBP, and adding guys like Escobar, Rasmus, and Lawrie are helping with that. But they need to fire their hitting coach. He made Jose great, but screwed up everyone else on the team.

The Jays broke the all-time record for HR by a team last season.

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