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  • 08/10/2011, 02:44PM ET

2012 Super Bowl Tourney: Who will win the AFC West?

DJRoxalot (1085-669-126) vs Ogre: Batman (45-35-11)
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My choice easily has the best QB in the Division and QB is a very important position for any team that has SB aspirations.

Last year he completed 66% of his passes for 280.2ypg, 8.7ypa, 30 TD's to 15 INT's with a 101.8 Passer Rating

Sure, he threw a lot of INT's but he was without his No.1 WR for a good portion of the season and he had to force some throws. However he did double his INT's and 30 TD's ranked 5th in the NFL.

They were able to bring Vincent Jackson to team with Malcom Floyd as a potent 1-2 punch at WR. Patrick Crayton should be able to provide a solid 3rd WR now that he is familiar with the sytem.

Antonio Gates provides an excellent TE for Rivers to throw the ball to.

Mathews has a year under his belt and needs to show improvement in order to keep the job from Mike Tolbert who played a lot better lastseason.

The defense ranked

1st in total ypg allowed
1st in passing ypg allowed
4th in rushing ypg allowed
10th in ppg allowed


The San Diego Chargers will win the West.

BRING IT, SHREK!!!!!!!


The Chiefs will topple the Chargers and win the West.

The Chiefs are a team that went out and improved their strengths even more so during the offseason.

The strengths of the Chiefs last season was clearly running the ball, ranking 1st in rushing ypg. Rather than just be content with this, the Chiefs added a dynamic fullback in Le'Ron McClain who will undoubtedly assist their running game and blocking.

The Chiefs will also help out their rushing attack in the way that they improved their passing game. KC drafted Jonathan Baldwin (a physical freak) and signed the consistent Steve Breaston to pair with Bowe and Moeaki. Weis is gone, but Cassel shouldn't have too much of a problem adjusting considering KC's dominant rushing attack and new passing weapons.

KC also saw an improved defense last season, and should see similar success this season. The Chiefs had one of the best corner tandems in the league, and saw improved play from their younger players like Hali and Dorsey. The addition of an anchor on their DLine in Gregg and Siler as a LB will improve their D for sure.

Improved offense, improved defense for a team that won the West last season and will in 2011. KC.


Special teams cost them several games last season early in the year. The main reason an excellent offensive and defensive team missed the the playoffs. Steve Crosby will have SD better prepared this year.

Their offense last season?

1st in total ypg
2nd in passing ypg
15th in rushing ypg
2nd in scoring ppg

They added a player in Vincent Brown to push Crayton for the No.3 WR position. Plus having Jackson for more than 5 games is huge. They will be be a lot better offensively. Jackson is better than the No.1 last year.

Ryan Mathews struggled in his rookie season but he battled nagging injuries (12 games) and should be a lot better this season. If not, they have Tolbert (735 yards, 4.0ypc with 11 TD's) who can step in and play.

The Chargers strengthened their run defense as well. They went out and drafted Corey Liuget to their excellent defensive line. His speed and athleticism will help add depth to that area.

Don't underestimate losing your OC. Jason Campbell had 9 different OC's in 9 years. That can severely stunt a QB's development and is not to be taken lightly. Losing Weis could mean this team takes a step back this season despite their upgrades.


Jason Campbell struggled because Oakland and Washington don't know how to surround him with valuable offensive weapons or how to run the ball like KC does. I'm not implying Cassel is as good as Rivers, but he does have a plethora of weapons surrounding him. Weis is gone, but the three B's, Moeaki and a very very good running game will help keep him on track.

Mathews and Tolbert are both average running backs. They form a decent duo. But there is no way you can say they even compare to Charles and Jones. Also don't overlook McCluster here, or in the receiving game, as he is a huge x-factor player.

The Chiefs improved through the draft as well. I've already covered Baldwin, but I didn't mention how they strengthened their OLine with Hudson and added 2 solid DLinemen who should step in and contribute (along with Gregg) and a CB who will only help improve a very solid secondary.

KC is a team who is much more balanced on both sides of the ball. SD relies heavily on Rivers on offense. Without him, they flounder. KC has talent on the ground or in the air. Factor in the improved D and they're the better team.


Jones averaged 3.7pc and for the first time in 5 years he was below 1,000 yards rushing with just 6 rushing TD. He will be 33 when the season opens and he is slowing down. Charles is an excellent RB but his major question has been if he could carry the load as the main running back. 6.4ypc is real nice and flashy but if he got 300-350 carries that would decline.

Last year KC caught teams by surprise. They will not do that this year. Teams are going to be looking for KC and bringing their best.

They acquired Gregg who will be 35 in November. He had just 38 tackles and 0 sacks last season. Baltimore let him walk. His best days are long gone.

Their was 1 game last season that exposed Cassel's major weakness. He cannot bring a team back from imminent doom and win the game. They lost big time and Cassel completed 9 of 18 passes for 70 yards with no TD's and 3 INT's. Every QB has a bad game but this was a huge game and Cassel just does not have the ability to carry a team when he has to.

Rivers can. He is very similar to another SB QB in Dan Fouts. He can air it out and help his team win the game when he has to.

Good TD as always, Ogre....


Jones was the backup in KC, clearly why his numbers declined. Charles won't be getting 300-350 carries (few NFL RBs do, and to suggest Charles would is asinine) and will continue to split the load with Jones. Do you know what that means DJ? The best rushing attack in the NFL will be better this season, as it added one of the NFL's best FBs and now has the support of an even more dangerous passing game.

KC didn't catch teams by surprise; they played better than them. Which will happen again this season.

Gregg is a run stuffing NT, not a pass rusher. What did the Chiefs need this offseason? Run stopping support. What does Gregg offer? Exactly that. Don't let his age fool you, he clearly can still contribute on the DLine and will help KC strengthen their run defense.

Cassel was asked to carry a team that abandoned its gameplan and didn't have the weapons to do so. This season, the Chiefs will have learned from their mistake, and will continue to pound the ball more. But if needed, Cassel will have much better weapons around him to help him carry the team.

The Chargers live and die by Rivers. The Chiefs have multiple avenues of attack. KC will win the West.

August 10, 2011  03:04 PM ET

Good luck, Ogre. Arguing on my turf now.

LOL.

August 10, 2011  03:04 PM ET

Pick the Raiders Ogre!!!

August 10, 2011  03:18 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Pick the Raiders Ogre!!!

Only the fool would do that....

August 10, 2011  03:19 PM ET

I expect him to argue Kansas City.

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August 10, 2011  03:20 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Only the fool would do that....

Picking Raiders = Fannation Loss + Ridicule

August 10, 2011  03:25 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

Picking Raiders = Fannation Loss + Ridicule

Yeah, I know. But it would be amusing as all get out to see DJ have to argue against them!

But yeah, he'll go Kansas City I'm sure.

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August 10, 2011  03:27 PM ET
QUOTE(#7):

Yeah, I know. But it would be amusing as all get out to see DJ have to argue against them!But yeah, he'll go Kansas City I'm sure.

Quit trying to start stuff.

: )

August 10, 2011  03:27 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

Tebow!!!'Nuff said.

LOL.

August 10, 2011  03:28 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

Tebow!!!'Nuff said.

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Just getting this out of the way before UH gets here

August 10, 2011  03:29 PM ET
QUOTE(#11):

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August 10, 2011  03:29 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

Quit trying to start stuff.: )

Ha ha! You know it would be funny.

August 10, 2011  03:29 PM ET

LOL Kagan!

August 10, 2011  03:30 PM ET

I'm leaning Oakland right now.

August 10, 2011  03:32 PM ET

Are you serious? They have no chance at winning the SB....

August 10, 2011  03:32 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

Picking Raiders = Fannation Loss + Ridicule

As futile as picking the Cowboys

August 10, 2011  03:32 PM ET

Read the rules to the Tourney. If it was just to win the West I would have taken them.

But SB? Aint happening.

August 10, 2011  03:33 PM ET
QUOTE(#15):

I'm leaning Oakland right now.

Yeah Boi!

Haha!

 
August 10, 2011  03:33 PM ET
QUOTE(#17):

As futile as picking the Cowboys

Ha, not nearly.

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