- 08/15/2011, 11:43PM ET
PCH said 08/15, 11:43 PM
lil RASLIN td..
I'm going with.. John Cena is a top 15 wrestler of ALL-time
yeah, i just said that, bring your A game..
DJRoxalot said 08/16, 02:16 AM
In no particular order:
Andre the Giant
"Stone Cold" Steve Austin
Randy "Macho Man" Savage
Hell no, John Cena is not a top 15 wrestler of all time!!!
Just say no to drugs kids...
YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO!!!
PCH said 08/16, 03:43 AM
I know people don't fall for John Cena's gimmick, gotcha! I don't really care for it either, but Vince has made this the Hip Hop Hulk Hogan of 2011.. seriously..
Lets see here..
Cena has FOUGHT for the heavyweight title, @ Mania, the last 7 OUTINGS
Unprecedented.. beats out Harley Race in my eyes.. Harley's a big time player, but John Cena's had the weight of the WWE on his shoulders for a SOLID while now..
WM25..Edge & the Big Show
WM24..Randy Orton & Triple H
WM23..*classic vs HBK
WM22..vs Triple H
look ahhh there...
he's a pretty big deal, like him or not.. The last 7 Mania's, Cena's fought for the strap, AT THE BIGGEST STAGGE of them A-L-L..
wiki~In WWE, Cena has won 18 championships in total, including 11 World Titles (having won the WWE Championship a record 9 times and the World Heavyweight Championship twice)
Most Charismatic of the Decade (2000???2009)
What have you done for me lately, you ask?
Cena: 5 Star Match vs. CM Punk at WWE Money in the Bank on July 17, 2011
YOU CAN'T SEE ME, DJ!
DJRoxalot said 08/16, 10:46 AM
Cena is popular and McMahon loves him.
But better than Harley Race?
Race as well as other wrestlers like Ric Flair and "Nature Boy" Buddy Rogers (don't know how I forgot about him) paved the way for these wrestlers today. They were wrestling when it wasn't the "in thing" and they were doing it for peanuts compared to the moolah the wrestlers make today.
-He held the NWA title 8 times in an era when wrestlers rarely repeated as a champion. (as opposed to the WWE where McMahon goes with this current favorite at the time)
-He worked for all the major wrestling promotions, the NWA, WCW, AWA and the WWF (at the time)
-Race is just 1 of 6 men inducted into WWE HOF, WCW HOF, the Professional Wrestling HOF as well as the The Wrestling Observer HOF.
Not to mention Race was a better wrestler than Cena who is basically a brawler or a thug if you will. The guy has no basic wrestling knowledge or fundamentals.
You love the WWE a little too much, PCH. You have to give respect and props to the guys that made all this possible.
I can see you and you are still wearing those redunkulous homeristic shades!!!!
PCH said 08/16, 01:47 PM
I don't know if you watch or not..
but Cena's got a new manuever to his arsenal..
kinda like the late Alabama Jam move performed by "Beautiful" Bobby Eaton in the late 80's/early 90's.. Cena fly's off the top ropes with a LEG DROP..
Im not here to bash Harley Race.. He's a legend..
the PILEDRIVER.. gotcha...
PWI Feud of the Year (2006) vs. Edge
PWI Match of the Year (2007) vs. Shawn Michaels on Raw on April 2
PWI Most Improved Wrestler of the Year (2003)
PWI Most Popular Wrestler of the Year (2004, 2005, 2007)
PWI Wrestler of the Year (2006, 2007)
PWI ranked #1 of the top 500 singles wrestlers in the PWI 500 in 2006 and 2007
Not to mention, Cena's got the microphone skills, and his in-ring moves are far supreme of that of the Ulimate Warrior..
Cena's an all around talent..
I don't really remember Harley Race oooo'ing the crowd, and YES, my young as.s has seen KING HARLEY RACE LIVE!
try Savannah,GA 1990... WCW..
It's one thing to have a wrestling promotion, and it's another thing not to have a star.. Vince has been rest assured with CEna since '02, and it's still going!
Cena's the face!
DJRoxalot said 08/17, 11:27 AM
Harley Race suffered through wrestling at a time when Ric Flair reigned supreme.
Kind of like if The Rock had never retired to become a movie star. We never would have heard of a wrestler named John Cena.
But make no mistake, Race was a legend.
The Piledriver was not the only finishing move he used, PCH. He also was an innovator of the Diving headbutt and he also used a Bridging cradle suplex.
Other moves he used that were well known:
Belly to belly suplex
Some of his accomplishments include:
1973 PWI Match of the Year vs Dory Funk
1979 PWI Match of the Year vs Dusty Rhodes
1983 PWI Match of the Year vs Ric Flair
1979 PWI Wrestler of the Year
1983 PWI Wrestler of the Year
Like I said earlier he also wrestled when Flair was "The Man." Race was an excellent wrestler and competed against these wrestlers:
Others that competed during the same era: Hulk Hogan, Ricky Steamboat and Randy Savage
Cena? Cannot claim that. The Rock is back to end the Cena era in the WWE
- Awful Announcing
- Free Darko
- Pro Football Talk
- The Big Lead
- Joe Posnanski
- The Sporting Blog
- Big League Stew
- Bugs and Cranks
- Every day Should Be Saturday
- Mr. Irrelevant
- With Leather
- The Sports Hernia