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  • 08/16/2011, 09:27PM ET

2012 Super Bowl Tourney: Round 2, Eagles vs the Saints

UnBiasedPerspective (5-5-0) vs (Un) (93-18-8)
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2 very good teams. Ironic that a Cowboys fan is debating the Eagles will win against an Eagles fan arguing for the Saints. Definately a strange world we live in!

Now lets look at the Eagles new strength, D 2ndary. Not only will they frustrate Brees with their 3 rotating shut down corners, but they will take away 1 of his strengths. More than 25% of his passes are downfield.

How does the Eagles strength effect other aspects of the Saints offense? Lets take the running game. Because of the 2ndary, the OLine and Linebackers can blitz, clog the running lanes and stuff the run. And the run is definately not the Saints strong suit already. Add that the Saints gave up Bush and they are weaker in the backfield. So, the Eagles defense trumps the Saints offense.

Now lets examine the Eagles offense. Vick has finally become an NFL QB under Reid. He reads defenses, checks down his receivers and moves around in the pocket to make the play instead of just taking off. This is going to save wear and tear on his body this year. He's due for another solid season. And if he does get hurt, you have Vick 2.0 in waiting to back him up. And they don'r even have to change the playbook.


If the New Orleans Saints play the Philadelphia Eagles in the postseason, I'd put my money on Black and Gold. For several reasons:

1. New Orleans is 3-1 against Philadelphia during Sean Payton's tenure.
2. New Orleans pulled in a large haul of its own: Aubrayo Franklin, Shaun Rogers, Olin Kreutz, Darren Sproles and two first-round draft picks, Cameron Jordan and Mark Ingram.
3. Philadelphia has not improved as much as the media would have us believe.

The offensive line is still full of holes. Center Jamaal Jackson is coming off two seasons of IR. Right tackle Winston Justice is on PUP. And his backup, Ryan Harris, has missed 13 games over the last two seasons.

They opted not to re-sign Quintin Mikell, Stewart Bradley or Ernie Simms - that's 3 of their 4 leading tacklers from last season. They're relying on rookie 4th-round pick Casey Matthews to call the defensive plays at the line of scrimmage. And their defensive coordinator, Juan Castillo, has never coached defense in his 16-year NFL career.

Not to mention the loss of David Akers could easily cost them close games. Such as say, a playoff matchup against the New Orleans Saints.

4. MTC


Stats are good, but they don't tell the whole story. Now lets talk about the immeasurables. The Eagles have been very close for a few seasons. They are hungry. They have stacked the deck to win it now. They have a solid veteran team as well as some promising young guys.

Vick is starting to play like a true NFL QB. Like the Eagles, he has a small window to reach his goal. He'll only be better with another year under Reid. He has a combination of talents that make him hard to defend against. Sometimes you can just tell when it's a players time. He's confident but not cocky. It's his team and they will rally around him. He will be the spark that ignites them this year.

Some of you suggest that Vick won't play all year because of his style. I'll give you that. This ties into the 2nd acquisition that makes them look smart. Vince Young, who style is very similar to Vick's. They won't have to change the playbook like they did with Kolb. Vince has shown he can be a good NFL QB. Last year he had his best year. He and Jeff just weren't on the same page. A change of scenery, Vick's positive influence & the proximity to Dungy and Vince will bloom. Vick & Vince will drive them!


4. Michael Vick finished last season with his worst two games of the year - he posted a 74.1 rating against Minnesota and a 79.9 rating vs Green Bay - his only two sub 80.0 ratings of the season.

Part of that was because Vick took a lot of hits throughout the season. And part was because defenses figured out how to play Vick. They began pass rushing Vick from the left, forcing him to his right, making it more difficult for the left-handed QB to throw on the run.

Vick won't be 100% by the time he reaches the divisional round of the playoffs. And he's yet to find an answer for the defensive blueprint I mentioned above.

5. After Asomugha, Samuel and DRC, the Eagles don't have any dependable defenders left to cover the Saints remaining receiving options. They dumped their only pro bowler safety, remember?

Problem is, they're facing Drew Brees, who is known to throw to his #4 and #5 receiving options more often than any other QB. For example, last year the Saints had eight different players with 30+ catches. That's two more 30+ catch players than any other team.

Expect Drew Brees to exploit the young safeties and linebackers in the middle of the field


Last year, the Eagles ranked higher on total offense at #2. Where they had a weakness on defense, they added All pro caliber players.

Points scored, they ranked much higher than the Saints at #3. They also upgraded their backup QB. Don't believe me, look at the stats for Young vs Kolb. There is no comparison!

So they can score points. Both QBs can make plays with their arms or their legs. Both QB have shown steady improvement and there is no reason they won't continue.

The Eagles still have cap room & have very good trade bait to improve in any area that might need an upgrade.

Reid is a pretty darn good coach. He knows how to make adjustments & game plan for his opponents. He will change up his pass, run & screen plays to confuse the D. He will get his team ready for this game because not winning & going home is not an option. This is a team that knows they have a narrow window to win it all & will pull out all the stops in this game to advance.

The final determination is the "want factor". The Eagles WANT to win it all this year. It shows in their draft, free agent acquisitions & players they resigned. There are coaches & players that won't be here if they don't.


Philadelphia promoted an offensive line coach to defensive coordinator. Juan Castillo has never coached defense in the NFL. I can't stress that enough. NEVER. Signing a bunch of free agents does not change that.

In order for the Eagles to beat the Saints, Castillo needs to out coach Sean Payton - one of the best offensive minds in the NFL. Can Castillo keep up with Payton's in-game adjustments? That's a huge question mark for Philadelphia. And I'd have to lean towards "no" until proven otherwise.

While the Eagles defensive is coordinated by an inexperienced coach, the Saints have a proven defensive coordinator, Gregg Williams. When Williams came to New Orleans in 2009, he helped them win the Super Bowl. Then last season, under Williams, they improved to top ten rankings (#4 in yards allowed, #7 in points).

They should only get better in 2011 considering the Saints added big name defensive talent of their own - Aubrayo Franklin, Shaun Rogers and Cameron Jordan - and unlike Philadelphia, they'll be combining their new talent with a proven championship-calibre defensive coach.

Defense wins championships. The Saints will advance.

August 16, 2011  09:28 PM ET

Good luck Un! Look forward to this TD

August 16, 2011  09:35 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

Good luck Un! Look forward to this TD

Thank you, other Un. I probably won't get to this until tomorrow.

August 16, 2011  09:37 PM ET

No prob, it'll be here.

August 16, 2011  11:15 PM ET

This should be awesome.

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August 17, 2011  01:17 AM ET
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Two (UN'S). OMG! This TD should be (UN) fabulous! LOL

Did your son make it OK?

August 17, 2011  03:02 AM ET

Vick 2.0 is a major downgrade from version 1.0, which is unusual because OS9 is no way better than OSX.... but if it's Windows.... ****, I don't don't do Windows.

August 17, 2011  08:07 AM ET

Eagles!

August 17, 2011  08:54 AM ET

Interesting debate but I think right's #1 is pointless. In the current era with players switching teams so much, that really isn't as important.

August 17, 2011  09:34 AM ET

UBP typing an argument like he is texting....LOL.

August 17, 2011  09:40 AM ET
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UBP typing an argument like he is texting....LOL.

U only get so many chartrs!

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August 17, 2011  10:43 AM ET

Good start by both.

August 17, 2011  12:41 PM ET

Should have been the Giants.

:(

August 17, 2011  01:24 PM ET

I like the Saints to bounce back.

Will come back later to read the rest of the arguments.

August 17, 2011  01:49 PM ET

I have a hard time believing the the person on the right (Zoo) is an Eagles fan while stating that loosing Ernie Simms and Stewart Bradley is a negative. Simms was unbearable to watch, and Bradley was always hurt and could not cover anything out of the back field. I'll take a rookie, Casey Matthews, over whatever Stew Bradley did for the Eagles. Really, linebackers are over rated anyway (this coming from a PSU fan), D-Line and Corners are much more valuable to a team. Adding Asomugha, Cromartie, Banin, and Jenkins will make up for the deficiencies at LB.

August 17, 2011  02:14 PM ET
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I have a hard time believing the the person on the right (Zoo) is an Eagles fan while stating that loosing Ernie Simms and Stewart Bradley is a negative. Simms was unbearable to watch, and Bradley was always hurt and could not cover anything out of the back field. I'll take a rookie, Casey Matthews, over whatever Stew Bradley did for the Eagles. Really, linebackers are over rated anyway (this coming from a PSU fan), D-Line and Corners are much more valuable to a team. Adding Asomugha, Cromartie, Banin, and Jenkins will make up for the deficiencies at LB.

With all due respect, this is a tournament so right had to take what he was given and make a valid argument. I don't think we should take away his wings because he has to come up with reasons why the Eagles might lose to the Saints.


With that being said, I disagree with right (Zoo) and feel that the Eagles will easily beat the Saints . E-A-G-L-E-S...................EAGLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

August 17, 2011  05:01 PM ET
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I have a hard time believing the the person on the right (Zoo) is an Eagles fan

Haha! That's the funniest thing I've read all day. Good one!

August 17, 2011  05:03 PM ET

Phew. That was a good laugh.

Anyway, good start here. Will check back for the rest of the arguments.

 
August 17, 2011  05:27 PM ET

Bears.

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