- 08/17/2011, 07:55PM ET
TTBengals98 said 08/17, 07:55 PM
Alright so Verlander has wrapped up the AL Cy Young and I do not think anybody can argue that but is he good enough to be MVP to??
I am going to go with NO
1) Supporting Cast
He has a very talented hitting group around him with 4 batters hitting .300 and the 4th best BA in the whole league. They are also 9th in runs scored, and 8th in SLG percentage. He also has Jose Valverde in the bullpen who is a perfect 35-35 in saves. He is not the lone reason the Tigers are in the playoffs.
2) How tough it is to be a pitcher and MVP
No pitcher has won a Cy Young in NL or AL since Dennis Eckersley in 1992, its still the steroid era and it tough with these hitter cranking HR's. I mean look at Pedro Martinez in 1999 with Boston, 313 Strikeouts, a 2.07 ERA, and 23 Wins and lead his team to the playoffs. MVP?? No.
3) Other players in the league
Jose Bautista who has led his team who would probably be one of the bottom 5 in the league to a above .500 year with ridiculous stats, Curtis Granderson, Ellsbury, Josh Hamilton, etc. I mean there are so many great hitters who dominate the award at is, I doubt he will get it.
DC- Built Ford Tough said 08/17, 11:35 PM
so no pitcher since dennis eckersley has won a al or nl cy young since 1992 not quite sure what you mean by that, there have beem nl and al cy young winners every single year buddy
its still the steroid era eh not really since the pitching era returned last year and here have been what of the top of my head i belive 5to 7 no hitters since the beggining of last year and 3 or 4 perect games, not so much steroids there buddy for hitters
Justin verlander should be get the mpv award because he is the al cy yong award winner(assuming he wins) and he is the Tigers and the leagues mvp. He has single handely dominated opposing teams on the mound and lead the tigers to being atop the divison
Yu think the tigers would be dominating if the didnt have verlander pitching every 4 or 5 days No
Verlander is 18-5 with an era of 2.31, 202.2 innings pitched, 204 strikeouts, 169 ERA+ , .878 WHIP, and a 6.0/9 innings ratio. Vewrlander leagues the leage and majors in some catorgies in wins, strikeouts, hits per 9 innings
Lets face it without Justin Verlander the Tigers would be atleast 15 games behind the Indians in the divison. Verlander is the most valuable player in the majors
TTBengals98 said 08/18, 10:18 AM
It techniqually is still the steroid era and some hitters are still probably juiced. A no hitter or perfect game means great pitching but it does not always mean bad hitting, the teams that get no hit are bad teams anyway.
Verlander can be the MPV like you said but there is no way that he can run away with the MVP, as people have said below, the MVP is pretty much a hitters award and I cannot see him being the special case who gets it.
His stats are amazing, i know, but they are not any better then Bautista or Gonzos stats and with it being a hitter award anyway they have a even bigger advantage.
You really think they would be 15 games behind the Indians??? Thats like saying the Yanks would be 10 plus games behind the Sox without CC, its not true. Just because you lose a player does not mean that they will still lose those games.
Lets look at the man who will most likely win mvp in Bautista, if the Jays lost his power and late inning power they would be more then likely one of the worst teams in the league, Verlander not on the Tigers?? They would still be contenders.
DC- Built Ford Tough said 08/18, 11:30 PM
i never said that verlander will run away with mvp and you just agreed with me that verlander can be the MVP.
Jose Buatista has hit 35 or so homers a good stat but not great considering what you still call the steroid era(he should be at least at 50 by now if that were true)
Yes the ATigers would be behind quite a few games behind the indians without verlander, the soon to be al cy young award winner, you think some random pitcher the tigers would have to use if there was no verlander on the tigers would dominate with 18 wins, low era, and high strikeouts, no it would be a like a royals number 5 starter out there giving batter some bp pitching quality.
How does this make since you said it, A no hitter or perfect game means great pitching but it does not always mean bad hitting, the teams that get no hit are bad teams anyway.
a no hitter or a perfcect game equals great pitching but not always bad hitting but teams that are no hit are bad teams anyways, how would that work. you contradict yourself with that saying right there. Verlander is the mvp of the Tigers without him they would not be in first and he is the al mvp of the year.
TTBengals98 said 08/19, 11:06 AM
Dude, your argument makes no since, I am saying that if the Tigers got rid of the Indians they would only be 5-8 games back right now of the Indians. The Tigers 5 tier starter would still have a decent record because of the team they have and by the end of the season without Verlander they may still be in the playoffs.
Bautista is getting even more credit for his HR's, AVG, SLG, etc. because he is not on steroids like so many of the last MVP's. This makes him even more likely for him to win the award. It is a hitters award and Bautista is the easy favorite because he has no roids, makes his team 10x better and irreplaceable, and has a great season.
Verlander only plays in 1 in every 5 games, Bautista helps his team out day after day and gets them more wins then Verlander easily. Thats why the MVP goes to a hitter instead of a pitcher, because hitters have to play every game.
I am saying that even though they threw no hitter does not mean that the pitching is better then the hitting throughout the league. Maybe that one pitcher is better then that group of batters but he may not be as good as the Yankees group of hitter.
Bautista, Hamilton, > Verlander
DC- Built Ford Tough said 08/19, 08:17 PM
Dude your argument makes no since I am saying that if the Tigers got rid of the Indians they would only be 5-8 games back right now of the Indians
That makes no sense
The morale and hope that Verlander brings o the tigers is irreplacanle if they didnt have one of the games elite pitchers pitching for them every 4 or 5 games and instead had a Brett Myers pitching for them instead(4.72ERA and 3-12 record) the team would have a different mindset completly in their pitching and with that comes the hitters lack of confidence in there pitching to win games
If the Blue Jaus didnt have Bautista they would still be in 4th place nowhere near the red sox or yankees and if the Tigers didnt have Verlander they could very well of never caught up and passed the Indians but they did with Verlanders great pitching
Verlanders first start in june he had a era over 3 now he is at 2.31 and has won 13 games and only lost 2 since the beggining of june and he is on a 6 game winning streak
Bautista since beg of june he has watched his ave drop from .360 down to .314, his obp has went from .505 down to .453, slg .786 to .638
Verlander has increased his level of play and is the MVP
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