- 08/17/2011, 08:01PM ET
rsp said 08/17, 08:01 PM
both these teams won their division and are in the divisional round. Who will win
It has to be the Steelers.
Last year the Chiefs had the top ranked rushing game, however, the passing attack was very weak ranking 30th in passing yards per game. That will probably stay consistent but with the passing game improved with the additions they made.
Their strength will still be the running game and they will rely on that. But Pittsburgh has the best rushing defense in the NFL. They should be able to force Kansas City to pass, and Cassel will not be able to carry the Chiefs to victory. Last year in the playoffs against the ravens, cassel went 9-18 for 70 yards against a worse defense that the steelers. Against Pittsburgh he would do about that good, maybe a little better with experience and better weapons.
regardless, their offense will not be effective against the Pittsburgh defense and they will be lucky to score 14 points. Expect them to score about 10 points and put the weight on their defense to limit Big Ben and the Steelers to about a touchdown, which they are not capable of.
Pittsburgh wins easy about 30-10 and advance to the conference finals
Good luck Ogre
Ogre: Batman said 08/18, 01:26 PM
In my opinion, the Steelers enter this season shrouded in more uncertainty than the Chiefs do. Why?
The Steelers offensive line is one that is absolutely filled with holes. Aside from Pouncey, all four guards and tackles either have health concerns, problems allowing sacks or taking penalties, or both. Big Ben had trouble staying upright last season and was often chased out of the pocket, largely because of his OL. With lingering health concerns for Ben himself, I'm not too convinced that the Steelers offense will run as smoothly as you would hope.
While I will concede that the Steelers have a solid running back, I'm not sure how good their offense will be as a whole. Ward is aging and slowly becoming less and less of a threat, and Wallace is only a deep threat on a couple passes. Otherwise, they have a mediocre WR corps. Count in the weak OL, and who knows if the running game can be anywhere near as effective as last season.
The Chiefs clearly have the edge on the offensive side of the ball. While Cassel is no Big Ben, he is surrounded with much better weapons to help him out - the best rushing game in the nation and a plethora of passing options.
rsp said 08/19, 10:15 AM
Just 1 question, are both the Pittsburgh and KC offenses (or defenses) going to be on the field at the same time? no, so why compare them like that? compare them how they will be on the field.
As I demonstrated in my first argument, KC will have a hard time scoring and get somewhere from 7-13 points.
The KC defense is average ranking 22nd in scoring, 14th in total, 16th in passing and 14th in rushing defense last year. They have added some guys, but only 1 starter. They might improve a little, but not much.
Pitt's offensive line is their main question, but it has been for a few years. They can get over that and got to the super bowl last year with this problem. Ben can make plays on the run and this shouldn't be too much of a concern. Plus with Mendenhall they have to respect the run and can't blitz as often. and if Ban was injured, they wouldn't have made it here.
Ward is slowing down, but Wallace broke out last year and should improve this year. Miller is still a good target and Ben is a very good quarterback. They should be able to put up 25-35 points with the support of the run against an average defense, and with this one easily by 15-25 points.
Ogre: Batman said 08/20, 12:11 AM
Because I can. Onto defense!
The Steelers defense is one that is an aging unit, and quite frankly has holes. Harrison was solid last year, but is aging and coming off of two back surgeries. By the time January roles around, do you really think he will be running at full speed? Farrior is 37, and realistically should see a decline as well. That means more younger LBs seeing the field - more holes.
The secondary goes as Troy goes. The corners are weak at best, and Clark showed how he can be picked apart in the AFC Champ. and SB last year if Troy isn't making up for his mistakes. Considering Troy's injury history and lack of depth, I am highly skeptical if the Steelers will remain one of the elite defenses this season. Very good most likely, but the Cheif's will have a very good offense.
The Chiefs D is not elite, but I like them enough to handle the mediocre Pitt offense. Dorsey is improving greatly each season, and Hali has shown he can hassle the QB. Big Ben has average at best threats to throw to who will be essentially shut down by Flowers and Carr. Berry is getting better clearly.
The Steelers won't score close to 25-35 points against the revamped Chiefs D.
rsp said 08/20, 10:21 PM
The Steelers' defense may be aging, but it isn't slowing down. They have the depth to get through the season and win games. It is still one of the elite defenses in the league, and it can, and will, manhandle Charles, Cassel, and the rest of that offense. They will not allow more than 13 points which is more that enough.
last year in the playoffs they scored 31, 24, and 25 points in games against Baltimore, New York and Green Bay. All far superior defenses to Kansas City. Their offense is about the same, and they should easily score 25-35 points.
You are vastly overrating this KC defense, they are average at best. They have some big holes in the defense. Ben is a borderline top 5 QB and he has a great threat in Wallace as well as some other good weapons like Ward and Miller. With Mendenhall helping prevent huge blitz's Ben will find his receivers -on the run if he has to- and get some points up. 15 would be enough with the defense they have, but they will score 25-35 points, probably in the high end of that scale.
Steelers take out the Chiefs easily by a score of 34 to 10 give or take a few.
Ogre: Batman said 08/21, 04:50 PM
The Chiefs will win 20-17.
The Steelers defense is aging as you admitted, and has clearly shown they have holes that can be exploited, particularly in the secondary. While Cassel is not an elite QB, he clearly is a skilled one, and he has even more weapons this season. With Jones and Charles keeping the defense off balance, Cassel should have an even easier time moving it through the air. Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston and Moeakie are more than enough for Cassel to pick apart a secondary that, aside from Troy, is one of the weakest in the league. If Miami, Buffalo and Cleveland can all throw for 250 yards against Pitt, then a more talented KC attack should have no trouble.
I am making no claims at all the KC is an elite defense, I am merely saying that they are more than capable of handling Pitt. KC's pass rush has improved greatly in recent seasons, while Pitt's line keeps taking steps back. Big Ben is mobile, but with Flowers and company shutting down Wallace and Ward, who else will Ben throw to? Mendenhall might run it, but Gregg's addition and a more experienced D should be able to contain him at least.
The Chiefs offense, much improved, will be the difference.
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