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  • 08/21/2011, 09:22PM ET

Would Vick have resurrected his career with the Bengals or Bills? 2.0

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This is in reference to the issue of Vick leaving prison and having offers from the Eagles, Bengals and Bills.

So would Vick have resurrected his career?
No

The Eagles had the right mix of talent, veterans and coaches to bring the best of of Vick

The Bengals and Bills lacked the discipline and team concept that was invaluable in Vick actually becoming a better overall player than he was with the Atlanta Falcons.

For one, Vick had the opportunity to study how to become a more professional quarterback behind McNabb while also learning how to be more of a passing quarterback than someone who runs with the ball at the first chance.

Even more importantly, Vick was able to learn more about the game by playing under Andy Reid and his system.

Had Vick gone to Cincinnati, it would have been a nightmare. Keep in mind that prior to that season, the Bengals were the poster child for player arrests.

You really think Vick becomes a better professional being in a locker room with Cedric Benson and Ochocinco?
Not to mention Pacman Jones whom they signed in 2010

Vick would have started for Buffalo but with or without him, they still don't make the playoffs


So making the playoffs is your definition of resurrecting his career? Listen, Vick made an excellent choice to go to Philly but it's absurd to think he couldn't have resurrected his career anywhere else.

Vick may not have helped the Bills make the postseason but bottom line? He would have made them a more competitive team. More to come on the playoffs talk later.

Look at who they had when he was released (2009 stats):

QB Trent Edwards, 60.1%, 146.1ypg, 6.4ypa, 6 TD's to 7 INT's with a 73.8 Passer Rating
QB Ryan Fitzpatrick, 55.9%, 142.2ypg, 6.3ypa, 9 TD's to 10 INT's with a 69.7 Passer Rating

Vick is better than either of these 2 QB's. He didn't look good in his first season with Philadelphia but he also didn't get consistent playing time. That is crucial for a player returning from a long football layoff so they can get in football shape.

The Buffalo QB's had Terrell Owens to throw the ball to. TO had 55 catches for 829 yards (15.1ypc) with 5 TD's.

RB? Fred Jackson ran for 1,062 yards in just 237 carries, 4.5ypc with 2 TD's and he caught 46 passes.

Vick could have resurrected his career in Buffalo.

BRING IT!!!!


This isn't Michael Vick from the Eagles or Falcons.

We're talking about missing 2 seasons of football, just getting out of federal prison Michael Vick.

The big difference between his development now and from when he left the Falcons and was in prison, is tremendous.

His tutelage with the Eagles and ability to become a passing quarterback because of the Eagles coaches and system can't be under-estimated.

The Vick the Bills would have received would have been running around for his life with no real gameplan.

Vick would have been the immediate starter for the Bills and it would have been a disaster. For one, he wasn't football ready, as he himself suggested after his first season with the Eagles.

Also, Vick had the benefit of being coached by Reid who's been with the team for the past 12 seasons. Buffalo has had 5 coaches in that same time.

Vick benefited from the system, coaches, veteran players and more importantly a winning attitude in the locker room.

So does Vick w/ Buffalo go for:
3000 yds
62% comp
21 tds 6 ints
100 pass rating

and finish 2nd in the MVP voting?

Heck to the no!


Edwards and Fitzpatrick combined for 15 TD's and 17 INT's.

The Bills would not have needed Vick to throw for 21 TD's to 6 INT's with 251ypg. If he had thrown 16 TD's to 10 INT's (career averages) with 170-180ypg? That would have been enough since he is a dual threat and can make plays when the pass play breaks down.

His rushing numbers with Philly his first year back? He ran for 95 yards on 24 carries (4.0ypc) in just 7 games and PT duty at that. He did show flashes of the old Vick with a season-high 34 yard scamper.

Not to mention Buffalo's 22nd WR was Lee Evans who is no scrub. He had 44 catches (13.9ypc) with 7 TD's. Between TO, Evans, Jackson and Vick? This offense would have been a lot better than the 28th ranked scoring offense it was.

The Buffalo Bills defense was not that bad, they were 16th in the NFL in scoring defense. So with a better offense? That 6-10 team and they might have gone 8-8 or even 9-7.

It would have taken him a few full games to get back into game shape but there is no doubt in my mind he would have made the Bills a better team. And a team fighting for a playoff spot.


A "34 yard scamper" is your example of Vick being prepared to become an All-Pro and MVP runner up?

I think you need to re-assess your argument.

No one is saying that Vick would have been garbage. Of course he may have put up reasonable numbers but the main question is:

Would he have resurrected his career with Buffalo?

The answer is no

People seem to forget that Vick with the Atlanta Falcons was one of the most dynamic players in the NFL and led his team to the NFC Championship game

He led the Eagles to a record of 10-6 and first place in the NFC East

There's no way possible Vick even comes close to a league MVP, 1st place in the division or a playoff victory after 1 or 2 seasons with Buffalo

At the most he makes Buffalo look respectable but even then, he definitely wouldn't have been looked upon as one of the best players in the NFL

You're basically saying that he would have become one of the top players in the NFL directly after missing 3 seasons (2 while in prison)

Impossible

Vick had an excellent opportunity to develop into a better player and the Eagles was the right club and situation for him to excel.

Period


"People seem to forget that Vick with the Atlanta Falcons was one of the most dynamic players in the NFL and led his team to the NFC Championship game."

In 2004 he led the Falcons to the NFC title game. That team was similar to the Buffalo Bills. The Falcons were 14th in scoring defense. Buffalo was 16th.

The Falcons offense wasn't that good either. They were 16th in scoring. The Bills were 28th in scoring offense and it wasn't like they didn't have talent. TO and Lee Evans at WR plus Jackson at RB. Vick would have made the Bills a more explosive offense.

The Bills lost by 1 to the Pats, 11th against the run.
They lost by 3 to the Browns, 27th against the run.
They lost by 3 to the Jags, 22nd against the run.
They lost by 6 to the Jets, 2nd against the run.
They lost by 7 to the Pats, 11th against the run.

And they finished 3 games behind the Jets for a WC. Are you saying they couldn't have been a better team and would have still missed the playoffs with Vick? I think they would have been a lot better off with a playmaker like Vick. Just something to think about.

I never said that Vick would have been the MVP. Is that the only way to ressurect a career?

No.

August 21, 2011  11:24 PM ET

As long as he gets paid, his career would be resurrected.

So yes.

August 21, 2011  11:41 PM ET

Interested to see what DJ says about this.

August 21, 2011  11:43 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Interested to see what DJ says about this.

DJ is to busy visiting this site, http://www.buygreatshoes.org

August 21, 2011  11:52 PM ET

Good luck, Business.

August 21, 2011  11:52 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

DJ is to busy visiting this site, http://www.buygreatshoes.org

Nope.

August 22, 2011  02:33 AM ET

Didn't Goodell do the resurrecting himself?

???

August 22, 2011  02:35 AM ET

As a long time reader of this site...I know that, both of you, can come harder than that.

I really do mean that as a compliment. I guess, I just see this as a pretty significant issue.

Probably because, if the answer to this question is "yes", then that opens up a whole new can of worms with the "ethical dilemma", as to with whether -or not - Goodelphia, may have steered him there.

(And I'm fascinated, with how NFL fans feel about that one.)

Good luck, gentlemen.

"Round 2. Fight!"

August 22, 2011  02:40 AM ET
QUOTE(#7):

As a long time reader of this site...I know that, both of you, can come harder than that.I really do mean that as a compliment. I guess, I just see this as a pretty significant issue.Probably because, if the answer to this question is "yes", then that opens up a whole new can of worms with the "ethical dilemma", as to with whether -or not - Goodelphia, may have steered him there.(And I'm fascinated, with how NFL fans feel about that one.)Good luck, gentlemen."Round 2. Fight!"

Alright, I'm going to give the old college try....

???

August 22, 2011  02:41 AM ET
QUOTE(#7):

As a long time reader of this site...I know that, both of you, can come harder than that.I really do mean that as a compliment. I guess, I just see this as a pretty significant issue.Probably because, if the answer to this question is "yes", then that opens up a whole new can of worms with the "ethical dilemma", as to with whether -or not - Goodelphia, may have steered him there.(And I'm fascinated, with how NFL fans feel about that one.)Good luck, gentlemen."Round 2. Fight!"

3 arguments.

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August 22, 2011  02:46 AM ET
QUOTE(#8):

Alright, I'm going to give the old college try....

You'd have my vote.

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August 24, 2011  04:51 AM ET

*resurrect a career*

August 24, 2011  05:17 PM ET

vick didn't need philly to make a comeback

 
August 24, 2011  05:32 PM ET
QUOTE(#19):

vick didn't need philly to make a comeback

But Philly definitely helped. The question is, does he do the same thing in Buffalo or Cincinnati? IMO, no.

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