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- 08/23/2011, 02:35AM ET
The Tigers are potentially legit contenders
duhwinning said 08/23, 02:35 AM
With the offensive weapons they have and having them all start to peak at this time in the season they may start to run away with this division and in the postseason they could be a very dangerous team even to a New York or Boston.
The potential 3 man rotation with Verlander, Scherzer, and Fister/Penny could be very very strong and all have ace like stuff. With 3 potential aces on their playoff rotation teams are going to have to hope a) their pitching can hold up against detroits offense or b) detroits seemingly invincible true ace Verlander gets into a plane crash.
As for their offense, the top 6 hitters are all very good and can hit for both power and average. Running into a team like that in the post season is not a very good thing for any team, but for teams like Boston and New York, who dont have great pitching, they will have to rely on their offenses and with the three man rotation the tigers have that could be very very difficult.
Now i use potentially alot, because we have seen Detroit at their very worst this season and it seems like a 4 yr old tee-ball team when they arent very good, so this whole thing is hypothetical
Sabih said 08/23, 12:38 PM
I love how you stay away from making a definitive statement instead using words like hypothetically and potentially.
First lets look at Detroit's numbers right now. They have scored the 8th most run in the league. Their 578 runs scored are nearly a 100 less than NYY's 675 and BOS's 670. In terms of hitting, BOS and NYY have proven to be superior than DET this year.
Also, they have allowed 574 runs, the 8th most runs in the league. The NYY's have allowed 487 and BOS has allowed 530. I guess so much for the superior pitching argument. Also, its not as if BOS and NYY do not have their share of big game pitchers.
As a result, their run differential of +4.
Compare that to Yanks (+188), BOS (+140), TEX (+118) or PHI (+156)
The team is 1-5 against BOS, 4-3 against NYY and 6-3 against TEX. Those are good numbers but they haven't outright dominated any of the teams.
Since AS break
NYY's record 24-13
BOS 22-15
TEX 23-14
DET is 19-15.
So they haven't exactly set the league on fire as you would have us believe.
I have just focused on AL and this year, if you want to talk about future, i will talk about that next.
duhwinning said 08/23, 09:47 PM
The tigers have had let downs in pitching when starting that 4 and 5 slot in the rotation, hence the large amount of runs allowed. Im not going to say they are the best team out there like you think i am, i am just pointing out that in a short rotation series with these teams they will have a very good chance. The Red Sox played Detroit in the worst part of the season for the tigers and when you look at the series' they could not have played any worse. Against the Yankees, who have no real 3 slot for the post season behind C.C. and Nova, they should put forth a sollid effort and with the Verlander toeing the slab they have a very good chance to win
The team that comes out of the West should be counted as a pushover as neither the angels or the rangers have done anything of great recognition.
As for saying that they are a hot team i never said that. when they start clicking like they have in the past week or so though, they are pretty tough.
Boston and New York do have game changer aces, but thats it. If you look at the rest of their rotations they are semi mediocre and do not present too much of a scare to most teams, good but not great
Sabih said 08/24, 02:43 AM
Your whole premise of the TD is, when Detroit is good they are very good (your words). That does not make you a contender. That can be said about a lot of teams. Problem is Detroit has not shown to be very consistent. They and ARI have the worst record of all playoff teams by 4 games.
So they won't have likely have homefield advantage and will likely face BOS in round one.
There is a difference between a "good chance" to beat a team and being contenders.
A lot of teams can steal a series, if the D'backs catch fire, they can easily knock out PHI in the first round.
So far there have been basically 3 contenders so far in MLB. PHI, NYY and BOS.
Right now, these teams are more talented and playing better than DET.
MIL has emerged over the past few months as a dangerous team. And are more of a contender then DET.
Boston and New York do have game changer aces, but thats it
Lester, Beckett, Lackey and Pappelbon as closer to go along with the batting lineup. All pitchers with playoff experience and WS rings.
duhwinning said 08/25, 03:10 AM
Forfeited Turn
Sabih said 08/25, 12:27 PM
Hypothetically speaking, I think I potentially legitimately won this TD.
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So how does one argue against potential and hypothetical? Clearly will be seen as an easy win attempt by whoever takes it. It's a lose/lose proposition.
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sad wont even take it, but who ever does gets a easy vote right
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So exactly what do you expect someone to argue against?
"The current AL central leading, 5.5 games ahead front runners, are NOT a contender this year?"
Good luck with that.
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I enjoy a challenge
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Im not gonna vote on this as a tigers fan, but let me say something that always bugs me. The outfield walls for the Yankees are ridiculous. Its almost like they tried to make the walls as short as possible. Plus for the tigers comerica park is a pitchers ballpark so amount of runs will naturally be low. All you have to do is make it to the playoffs, anything can happen from there. Who would have thought that the world series last year would have been Rangers vs. Giants?
For the guy on the left, actually argue something.
Im a tigers fan and can't even vote for left
willruth
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I thought teams in the playoff hunt were contenders...
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As well as teams leading their division....
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We're wrong and misinformed... well it is the internet.
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I guess since the Royals, Padres, and Twins aren't mathematically eliminated I guess it's safe to say that they are in playoff contention then correct?
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Anything can happen... movies prove it.
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The potential 3 man rotation with Verlander, Scherzer, and Fister/Penny could be very very strong and all have ace like stuff. With 3 potential aces on their playoff rotation teams are going to have to hope a) their pitching can hold up against detroits offense or b) detroits seemingly invincible true ace Verlander gets into a plane crash.
Three potential aces my ass. Besides Verlander and Valverde, their pitching sucks. Badly.
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Wall, not walls. Left field is no joke.
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That works the other way, too. Meaning that the pitchers will look better than they actually are.
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To everyone on this td:
I actually am arguing something if you read carefully. what i am saying is that when the tigers are bad, they are really stinkin bad, but when they are good, they are awfully good. when the red sox, yankees, rangers and other teams are bad they just lose not get blown out and shutout they just lose normally, the tigers will lose 11-1 or 12-0 against the oppositions 5 slot.
I am arguing that the tigers are a contender for the world series, but only if they dont go to the suckish tigers they have been known to revert to this season
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Since when are the defending A.L. champions "pushovers"...? Flying under the radar is not always a bad thing.
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I have to say, I LOVE the phrase "potentially legit!" LMAO
Is that not very near an oxymoron?
potentially - possible but "NOT" yet "actual"
legit - authentic or true
How can something be at once authentic and "NOT yet actual" LOL
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They are a .500 team when Verlander doesn't pitch. That doesn't bode well for their playoff hopes.
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Problem is that they do become the suckish Tigers a lot and outside Verlander they have no starting pitching and your agument that "Verlander, Scherzer, and Fister/Penny could be very very strong'' is weak at best because Verlander is the only one that you can rely on 95% of the time. As of today, take out Verlander's record and the Tigers are only 51-54. He is single-handedly carrying the Tigers. Not good for the playoffs, forget World Series.
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