- 08/26/2011, 03:41PM ET
bostongm 20-10 said 08/26, 03:41 PM
All i gotta point to is Fleury's 2 Stanley Cup appearances and 1 Cup win.
Argos. said 08/26, 04:38 PM
Lets just compare the stats from this past season:
James Reimer - 37 Games, .921 SV%, 2.60 GAA, 3 Shutouts, 7.8 Goalie Point Share
Marc-Andre Fleury - 65 G, .918 SV%, 2.32 GAA, 3 Shutouts, 11.4 GPS
Lets further examine these numbers.
First, Reimer contributed 7.8 points to his team in only 37 games, if he played 65 games (what Fleury played), he would have contributed 13.7 points to his team in the standings (which would have got the Leafs in the playoffs), which is way more than what Fleury contributed.
Next, Reimer's SV% and GAA aren't accurate numbers for how good he played, because he plays behind such a crappy team, and crappy defense. The Leafs top forwards, Kessel & Bozak, don't know what the letter 'D' is. While the Leafs D ran out human pylons like Mike Komisarek, Beauchemin, & Lebda on a regular basis.
Too see how bad the Leafs D was, and how good the Pens was, look at their backup numbers:
Reimer's backups: 17-24, .895 SV%, 3.05 GAA
Fleury's backups: 13-5, .922 SV%, 2.17 GAA
Fleury's backup actually had better numbers than he did!
Simply put, Reimer plays on a team that sucks. Fleury plays on a great team.
bostongm 20-10 said 08/27, 02:34 PM
Reimer has played in a grand total of 37 games in his CAREER man. He hasnt even sniffed the play-offs yet and he's already better than Fleury?? Gimmie a break man..you're such a pure homer. I'm actually surprised that you dont have him rated higher than Thomas.
Fleury : 41 play-off wins + 1 CUP RING.
Get back to me when Reimer has actually played a full season.
Fleury > Reimer
Argos. said 08/27, 03:33 PM
For all his great playoff success, lets look what he has done.
2007 - .880 SV%, 3.76 GAA
He ranked last (16/16) among goalies in SV% & GAA that year.
2008 - .933 SV%, 1.97 GAA
By far his best playoffs. Was 2nd in SV% & GAA.
2009 - .908 SV%, 2.61 GAA
This is the year he won the Cup. But he only ranked 9th in both GAA & SV%. He was average.
2010 - .891 SV%, 2.78 GAA
He ranked 14th out of 16 goalies in SV% and 12th in GAA.
2011 - .899 SV%, 2.52 GAA
He ranked 13th in SV%, and 8th in GAA.
So in his five career playoffs, he has had 1 great playoffs, 1 average playoffs, and 3 terrible playoffs. The Pens didn't win the Cup because of Fleury in 2009, he was just on a great team. Meanwhile, he has lost his team 3 playoffs with his terrible pay.
On to Reimer. Reimer is the greatest goalie of all-time. There is no denying it. He set an ECHL record with a .961 SV%. Fleury was so bad, he never played in the ECHL.
Reimer had a .920 SV% in the WC last season. Fleury on the other hand lost Canada the WJC Gold:
Reimer had a .917 AHL SV%. Fleury had a .912 SV% in the AHL. Numbers don't lie.
bostongm 20-10 said 08/28, 11:46 AM
" Numbers dont lie " EXACTLY.....37 games played at The Show. Hell Fleury had 36 wins last season.
Fleury is a battle tested goalie who has shined on the brighest stage and has a CUP RING to show for it..WHAT HAS REIMER DONE ?? Oh sorry he registered 20 wins in his illustrious career.
37 games played is NOT a good enough sample size.
Lets see Reimer play 60+ games 1st and reach the play-offs before claiming him to be better than Fleury...BUT..that may be quite some time before TO even reaches the play-offs...6 consectutive seasons of missing the play-offs..that # may even reach 8 or 9 the way your teams run.
Fleury > Reimer.
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