- 08/28/2011, 07:52PM ET
MorningWoodley said 08/28, 07:52 PM
Clayton Kershaw is going to win the NL Cy Young Award this year. He has the 2nd most wins in the NL with 16, 3rd in ERA with 2.51, 1st in K's with 207 and 2nd in WHIP with 1.02. Put all these stats together and he is obviously the best candidate for the NL Cy Young Award!
Rudedog: Believe The Hype said 08/28, 08:28 PM
Solid argument, but I can one up you
2.05 ERA, 1.06 WHIP, 5.81 K/9, .203 BAA
My pick, like most of you know will be, is Johnny Cueto
Cueto, for whatever reason, is getting no Cy Young love, which is silly. The main reasoning for this is his low inning count. This isn't due to him leaving games early all the time or missing starts. It's due to him missing a month at the beginning of the season. Since then, he's missed 1 start and that was just delayed one day.
In fact, Cueto averages 6.6 innings a start. In comparison, 7.0 innings. While it's more, it's not a significant amount and shows you that Cueto does pitch his fair share of innings. 4 times this year he's pitched at least 8 innings and only once has he pitched less than 5 innings.
The other knock against him is his 9-5 record. While this doesn't make sense to me, he's still had plenty of opportunities for wins. 7 times this year, Cueto has received a no-decision. Despite that, the Reds are 14-7 in games he pitches in, which is a far more accurate number for his pitching efforts this year.
MorningWoodley said 08/28, 08:49 PM
In the last 20 years no starter that has won the CY Young Award has had less than 15 wins, Cueto has 9 going into the last month of the season. Also each has had atleast 200 innings pitched which Cueto will also not have. Also, Cueto's ERA should be lower than Kershaw's because he's played less games. Kershaw's WHIP is lower than Cueto's by .04 and while Cueto's K/9 is 5.81 Kershaws is somewhere in the 9.8 region, which is a lot higher and more impressive than Cueto. Anyone that knows baseball knows the Kershaw will win the Cy Young award and Cueto won't even get a consideration.
Rudedog: Believe The Hype said 08/29, 04:44 PM
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Now, the innings pitched issue is a unique one, I'll give you that. And while Cueto will finish with less than 200 innings pitched, that shouldn't be the reason to not give him the Cy Young.
Cueto has pitched in 21 games this year. It'll end up being about 3 to 4 games less than the norm. In the end, are we really looking at that big of a difference? It's just silly to me to not include Cueto in the discussion because he was injured. That's it. That's the problem.
Cueto has maintained his level of dominance the entire season. It's not like he's on a hot streak that will eventually wear off. No. He's having a great season and deserves to be awarded as such.
1998 was the last time someone outside of the top 2 of the lowest ERA won the Cy Young. Right now, minus Cueto imploding, he'll finish with the best ERA. That's already a big leg up in the competition.
And the strikeout argument is stupid. You're telling me that a 1 pitch groundout is worse than a 3-pitch minimum strikeout? That's stupid. Strikeouts are one stat that shows good pitchers, but pitchers can be good while not striking opponents out
MorningWoodley said 08/29, 06:53 PM
Kershaw also plays for a worse team, so he doesn't get as much run support and yet he still has a way better than Cueto. Cueto has a very good hitting line up to back him up with Votto, Bruce, and Phillips. The Dodgers have Kemp and thats it. This makes Kershaw's W/L record that much more impressive. Your argument is irrelevant because Cueto will not even get acknowledged has a Cy Young candidate because of his low inning count, low strikeout numbers, and not many wins and a decent amount of losses. He has one less loss than Kershaw and Kershaw has 7 more wins and plays for a much worse team. I don't see how this is even an argument. You might have a chance if you argued someone like halladay hamels, lee, o lincicum but now Cueto at all
Rudedog: Believe The Hype said 08/30, 09:57 AM
Cueto might have a solid hitting lineup, but they have been massively inconsistent and he hasn't had nearly the run support this year.
In 10 of his 20 starts starts this year, the Reds have scored 3 or less runs. Cueto's run support numbers are skewed because there have been a couple games the Reds have put up big numbers offensively.
If you honestly think Cueto won't even get acknowledged for Cy Young, turn in your sports fan card. It's one thing when people say he won't win it, and that's debatable, but to say no one will acknowledge him? HE'S THE ERA LEADER IN THE MLB. You're not even gonna consider him for the award?
You're ignorance and arrogance for this is silly. You're either a Dodgers fan or just not smart enough to realize what it takes to win the Cy Young. I'm not saying Kershaw isn't a worthy candidate, but the argument you make for him isn't a good one. You're just repeating that he has a low ERA, more innings that Cueto, etc.
Cueto has been dominant all year and has proven he's the best pitcher this year. He deserves the Cy Young.
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