- 08/30/2011, 04:48PM ET
OlderthanDirt said 08/30, 04:48 PM
Okay, this should draw a lot of debate. I have stated my position on a couple of threads and will put my neck on the chopping block so you guys can all take a whack at it ...[/b]BUT[/b]...
Justin Verlander should NOT win the AL MVP this year.
First off , his team has not won anything yet. It is still debatable as to whether or not the Tigers will win their division. And IF they do, he can only pitch once, maybe twice if it goes 5 games, in the divisional playoffs and therefore the chances of them advancing is minimal at best.
And while he is pitching in the post season, again only once probably, there is a very good chance that the eventual MVP of the league will bat multiple times, have a good series and most likely advance to the WS. (will get into who I think this will be 2nd or 3rd, if need be)
So while, Justin "Deservingly So" Verlander sews up the AL Cy Young award; let's please stop all this nonsense of awarding the MVP to him already.
The body of work by several position players still out weighs anything he has accomplished to this point.
Okay FN, you can now begin my slow death by hate mail and comments. But there it is. JV is not your AL MVP.
GI_jim_bob said 08/31, 01:22 AM
Well im willing to take the lost here, but I still think people are missing the point of this award.
The Most valuable player award is given to the player that has done most to put their team in a position to win.
That is Justin Verlander, Day in and day out performs every other pitcher on the field and has put his team into a position to win there division.
You say that there are others out there that have done more for there team.
Who would you pick Jose Bautista his team is playing .500 ball and no hope of going anywhere. How much has he really done for his team?
Curtis Granderson? He on the Team with A-rod, Cono, and Teixeira is Granderson really the main reason why there line up is good? I think not.
Or how about Adrian Gonzalez, Jacoby Ellsbury, Dustin Pedroia? There all great players having great season but there all on the Red sox how can u really justify that any of them have done so much more for there team the the other.
Were as Verlander is the only good pitcher on his team the next best pitcher on the Tigers is Max Scherzer who is pitching a 4.52 ERA and he???s there next best pitcher!
So I cant see how you don???t??? vote for Verlander for MVP this year.
OlderthanDirt said 08/31, 09:31 AM
No, I don't think people are missing the point. In fact, I think you have with your 2nd paragraph. Justin DOES NOT perform "day in and day out". THAT MY FRIEND is the whole point I was making.
An on the field every day player has more "Value" than a pitcher that takes the hill every 4th or 5th game. I personally Would vote for either A-Gone or Granderson over Verlander for MVP. I understand the whole, "look at the supporting cast" argument you make for them but the same is true for JV as well. Without defense and offense his pitching effort could go by the way side. You CANNOT dismiss the efforts and body of work by the "every day player" just because they are on a good team.
How about fielding? Does it come into play? How about A-Gone's .997 fielding %? Are you kidding? 1B and only 3 errors in over 1100 chances.
Then add his batting. Leads the league in hits, BA, total bases and has an OPS+ of 157 for the year. He will more than likely score over 100 runs ( has 90 so far) . He already has over 100+ RBIs. Every single qualification you need to look for in the LEAGUE MVP is standing right there at first base for the Sox.
I have more. Will finish in 3rd. GL
GI_jim_bob said 09/01, 02:16 AM
Ok im going to show how much impacted Justin Verlander has in a week compared to ???A-Gone???.
A.G has a batting avg of .342 now lets say he plays every game for a week he averages 4 at bats a game now that would mean he gets 28 at bats per week that would mean he should get about 9.5 hits a week and lets say he gets 7 RBIs off those hits that a run a game one run doesn???t win a whole lot of games.
J.V plays on average every 5th game or twice a week. He sees on average 28 batters a game, now 28 batters twice a week is 56 batters (that???s double the amount of time A.G sees a pitcher in a week.) J.V only allows his opponents a batting avg of .190 that would translate to about 5 per game and that???s not even a hit an inning and with J.V only giving up homeruns about 2% of the time he not going to be giving up a whole lot of runs. So if J.V does give up runs he only avg about 2 runs a game so if he can hold teams to 2 runs or less thats a win almost every time. The worst hitting team in the league avg about 3 runs a game.
So you see A.G does great things but he WONT win you a game were as J.V WILL win games even if he was on the worst team in the league. So who is more Valuable?
OlderthanDirt said 09/01, 10:27 AM
Wow. Your Math sucks. About as bad as your analogy.
Every 5th game or twice a week. Are there 10 days a week now or is that just throw the Tigers Baseball Season?
And my friend all that did was convolute and already twisted comparison of pitcher vs position player. Each of the readers have their own perspective of which is more valuable.
In the case of Tiger's fans and Yankee/Sox haters Verlander would be "more valuable" than either Granderson or Gonzalez.
But, I tell you what. Let's put this into a perspective that all can understand. Now I am not going to post the complete stats of each because there is not enough room but,
Let's take as a sample two of the greatest and see how JV matches up with them.
Greg Maddux and Pedro Martinez. Take a look on baseballreference.com at their stats, especially the 94, 95 season for Mad dog, and the 99, 00 season for Pedro. Neither of them WON the MVP that year.
JV's current season does not come close to comparing to those HOFrs seasons and they DID NOT win the MVP. They both won CY's but not MVPs.
SO, IF Maddog and Pedro can't win an MVP with those types of career pitching performances.
NO WAY should JV. GL
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