- 09/13/2011, 12:03PM ET
Sweetness85 said 09/13, 12:03 PM
I very rarely do these Defend Yourself TDs, however yesterday you said something that simply could not be ignored.
"I doubt they take Luck if they had the chance. They need help on D, sitting for 2 years behind Manning? Not likely with the #1 pick." [http://tinyurl.com/6hee8tj]comment #4 here[/url]
I say this is an obscene oversight. Why would it be such a far stretch for the Colts and Bill Polian to give the Colts a chance at a QB successor who may actually uphold the Colts' winning culture?
So a few things must be assumed here, (and your comment supports these assumptions)
1. The colts have the #1 overall pick, or that come the Colts pick, Luck is still available
2. They expect Manning back
3. Luck still has the value he has today
Bill Polian has a history of picking QB successes. (Kelly, and Manning) and has kept the Colts relevant for a decade. Why would he not start looking for the successor to one of the greatest QBs in history, when said QB is on his last leg, so to speak?
In the next two arguments I will show why this is not only a possibility (regardless of your expert doubts), but the Colts BEST move if available.
DJRoxalot said 09/13, 07:54 PM
"Why would it be such a far stretch for the Colts and Bill Polian to give the Colts a chance at a QB successor who may actually uphold the Colts' winning culture?"
1-Their defense needs some serious help.
They allowed 341.6 total ypg last season, 23rd in the NFL.
They allowed 214.6 passing ypg, 13th.
They allowed 127 rushing ypg, 25th. And this has been a common problem for the Indianapolis defense.
They allowed 24.3ppg last season, 23rd.
2-I don't think Bill Polian would draft Andrew Luck, only to have him sit behind Manning. I know the Green Bay Packers drafted Aaron Rodgers to learn from Brett Favre, but Rodgers wasn't the #1 overall pick.
That would be a horrible way to use the top pick in the draft.
I say they would improve their defense or actually draft a RB. Someone like Trent Richardson or LaMichael James, who can help improve a poor running game.
They can get a future replacement for Manning in the 2nd round.
Sweetness85 said 09/14, 10:58 AM
For years we have seen the same issue repeated from franchise to franchise, HOF/franchise defining QBs followed by years of QB woes. Just to name a few...
Post Kelly Bills
Post Elway Broncos
Post Marino Dolphins
There were however, two teams that got it right. GB with Rodgers to replace Favre, and SF with Young to replace Montana.
Rodgers wasn't a #1 pick, however he was certainly viewed as #1 talent.
Now, I know you want to point out that SF didn't draft Young, so I will do it for you. That said, SF did go out and get a former #1 draft pick to ride the pine and learn from the best.
These scenarios both produced some of history's only success stories following the exit of a HOF QB, and they both included a 1st rd QB, turned clipboard jockey. There is much to be said for the opportunity to learn from one of the games greats.
Currently Andrew Luck is viewed by many to be the surest thing coming out of college in many many years. The smartest move Polian could make would be to draft a sure thing QB, who could learn from the greatest, and carry on the Colts legacy. Best part? There would be no pressure from fans to start Luck immediately. It's the perfect storm!
DJRoxalot said 09/14, 03:56 PM
Bill Polian just made a huge commitment to Peyton Manning when he signed him to a 5 year, 90 million dollar extension.
NFL contracts aren't guaranteed, but the deal pays him 69 million in the first 3 years.
I don't see how Indianapolis could justify taking Luck next year, not with all the other needs this team has.
"Currently Andrew Luck is viewed by many to be the surest thing coming out of college in many many years."
You never know how a player is going to react until he is on the field on Sundays, facing the best the world has to offer. There is no such thing as a "Can't miss prospect."
If you are taken #1 overall, you are going to be counted on to come in and play right away.
Not sit on the bench and learn.
A lot of people are saying they think Manning is done. I do not think that is the case. Everybody thought Tom Brady might have been done when he had his injury, but he came back strong.
I think that management will not rush him back, he will miss the season. No need to play him if he comes back with 2-3 games left in the season.
Sweetness85 said 09/14, 04:30 PM
First, one of those three years you address with Manning's Contract concerns is THIS YEAR. Assuming he does return for another two years that takes care of the contract obligations that you speak of AND gets Luck ready for the prime time.
In '08 Brady was 30, not 35, and injured his FOOT not FUSED VERTEBRAE!
Let's put this into perspective just a little. Steve Young was considered a "can't miss", after a #1 overall pick, and two years in Tampa, he was considered a "bust", and after a few years holding a clipboard for one of the greatest the game has ever seen he was considered a "HOFer". The value of being an extremely talented QB in that position is simply immeasurable.
As far as all the other "needs" Indy has, if there is one thing that has defined Bill Polian, it would be his ability to Draft QBs, and find value under rocks. The colts have remained an NFL elite with no HUGE offseason deals, and by getting value from late round picks. You can fill a "need" in the 2nd and beyond, rarely is a Franchise QB found out there.
If in the position to do so, Polian would destroy his reputation, as well as his franchise's future by NOT drafting Andrew Luck!
DJRoxalot said 09/14, 05:19 PM
"Assuming he does return for another two years that takes care of the contract obligations that you speak of AND gets Luck ready for the prime time."
While paying a #1 pick good money to sit. Not a great way to spend your funds under the new CBA.
"If in the position to do so, Polian would destroy his reputation, as well as his franchise's future by NOT drafting Andrew Luck."
He has made the commitment to Manning by giving him a lucrative extenstion. He would be a fool imo to take a QB with the #1 pick when they have other needs. Drafting a RB to help take some pressure off Manning is a start.
Manning has taken a lot of needless hits, simply because they don't have a good running game. And he has been forced to throw the ball 40-50 times.
Kellen Moore has the football smarts to be a very good NFL QB. He would be a perfect fit for the Colts complex offense. And he will not be a 1st round pick. He can be acquired later, and he has a high football IQ.
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