- 09/14/2011, 04:02PM ET
YankeesFan said 09/14, 04:02 PM
Mark Sanchez will be a top 8 QB in the AFC (top 8 because it's half of the conference) this year.
Let me explain before I get automatically voted against because people think he is "overrated" (everyone says he's overrated, but I don't know anyone that actually rates him well enough to be overrated).
I am not saying he has been a very good QB in his first two seasons, but that by the end of this year, he will be recognized as one of the better AFC QBs.
While Peyton Manning is certainly better than Sanchez, I am talking about Top 8 for this year only, so even if Manning does play, it will be only a couple of games, and will be unrealistic to expect him to be a top QB based on that alone.
First, let's look at his competition, and who is clearly ahead of him (in no particular order):
Then I guess you can throw in Fitzpatrick and possibly Cassel. Either way, with those two, that leaves room for one more QB in the top 8, which I believe will be Sanchez.
In his last 5 games (counting postseason), he has averaged 244 YPG (same as Tom Brady's YPG total for 2010), and has 7 TDs with just 3 INTs.
Out of room, MTC.
DJRoxalot said 09/14, 04:37 PM
Sanchez is an average NFL QB. I know you don't want to hear that, but it's the truth. He is not that accurate (54.6% for his career), and he makes bad decisions. 34 INT's in 915 pass attempts= 1 every 26.9 passes.
My top 8 QB's in the AFC are:
1-Brady. Clearly, the best. He had an incredible game against Miami.
2-Rivers. This era's Dan Fouts. If Ryan Mathews is good this year, he will be even more effective.
3-Schaub. He has not had the benefit of a good defense throughout his career, like Brady, Rivers, Big Ben, and Flacco have. But he puts up excellent numbers.
4-Big Ben. Had a horrible opening game, but that should not be held against him.
5-Flacco. A good QB.
6-Fitzpatrick. Does more with less.
7-Kyle Orton. A stat stuffer.
[I]8-Matt Hasselbeck.[I] He looked good in his first start with the Titans and might be a perfect fit for their offense. He has never had a RB like Chris Johnson before, so his numbers should be more efficient than they were last year in Seattle.
YankeesFan said 09/14, 05:19 PM
Hasselbeck---he hasn't had more TDs than INTs in a season since 2007, and is clearly on the decline of his career. And as was pointed out in the comments (though I would've said something anyway), he has had RB "like Chris Johnson;" Shaun Alexander.
Orton---He might not even be a starter by the end of the season. The Broncos appear to be on their way to another top 5 pick, and especially with fan favorite Tebow waiting on the bench, it may not be long before Denver hands over the reigns.
Sanchez is an average QB, I agree. But there are two things about that statement that I'd like to point out:
1. He was average his first 2 years of his career, after not playing 4 years in college. That doesn't mean he will always be average, and that he can never elevate his status.
2. Being the 8th best QB in the AFC is actually very average. 8 out of 16. Right in the middle.
He has good WRs and TEs to throw to, and like it or not, that goes a long way in upgrading a QBs status.
Towards the end of last year, and in the playoffs, he took big strides that suggest he's ready to step out of the "average" class and into the good, not great, one.
DJRoxalot said 09/14, 06:47 PM
"Hasselbeck---he hasn't had more TDs than INTs in a season since 2007, and is clearly on the decline of his career."
He is not in his prime, you are correct there. But, he was a very smart pickup by the Titans. Jake Locker just isn't ready. Hasselbeck looked good on Sunday when he completed 21 of 34 passes for 263 yards (7.7ypa), 2 TD's, 1 INT with a 93.1 Passer Rating
He has never had a RB that averaged 125ypg.
CJ is a dual threat, unlike Alexander who was a very good RB, but not a very good receiver out of the backfield. CJ ran for 2,006 yards (5.6ypc) in 2009. He also caught 50 passes for 503 yards (10.1ypc). This will make Hasselbeck's job even easier.
"Orton---He might not even be a starter by the end of the season. The Broncos appear to be on their way to another top 5 pick"
The TD is about right now, not 3 months from now.
Besides, Tebow is like the 3rd string QB in Denver.
And right now, I would take Hasselbeck and Orton over Sanchez. Imagine what Hasselbeck or Orton could do with the talent he has on the Jets.
YankeesFan said 09/14, 07:39 PM
Hasselbeck looked good on Sunday, but so did Sanchez. And if Sunday's performance is the logic to go by, I'll take Sanchez (more yards, same amount of TDs and INTs against a better D).
What happened in 2009 for Chris Johnson isn't necessarily what's going to happen this year. A more relevant fact to this year than the 120 YPG is the 85 he averaged last year (good, but not 120), more relevant than his 2009 10.1 YPC is 5.6 YPC and 245 receiving yards in 2010.
But, since we are talking about this year, the most relevant numbers for Chris Johnson are 2.7 YPG in 24 yards last week. I am not at all suggesting he will have these numbers all year, just that he's a very good RB, but won't repeat his '09 season.
"Mark Sanchez will be a top 8 QB in the AFC...this year."
I wrote that in my first argument, so the TD isn't just about 3 months from now, but everything from now until then that constitutes "this season."
But aside from all this, just comparing recent numbers between the 3 of them (including Week 1), shows that Sanchez is better than Hasselbeck, about even with Orton, and has the most potential for a breakout year.
DJRoxalot said 09/14, 08:04 PM
"And if Sunday's performance is the logic to go by, I'll take Sanchez (more yards, same amount of TDs and INTs against a better D)."
Terrance Newman didn't play. And Sanchez didn't start lighting it up till Malcolm Jenkins left the game. So, Mark picked apart the backup CB's. Good for him.
"A more relevant fact to this year than the 120 YPG is the 85 he averaged last year (good, but not 120), more relevant than his 2009 10.1 YPC is 5.6 YPC and 245 receiving yards in 2010."
Hasselbeck is a better QB than Collins. He is career 60% passer while Kerry Collins is a career 55% passer.
"But, since we are talking about this year, the most relevant numbers for Chris Johnson are 2.7 YPG in 24 yards last week."
You must have missed the fact that he was holding out in the preseason.
That was a huge NFL story during the preseason.
Sanchez still makes some horrible throws and the INT he threw vs Dallas was absolutely awful. Indicating he still cannot read an NFL defense.
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