- 09/21/2011, 04:58PM ET
J-Business said 09/21, 04:58 PM
To begin, I didn't see the fight live between Mayweather and Ortiz and I just saw the replay for the fight today.
What I did see were the boxing writers who portrayed the fight as if it was a domination by Floyd and that it was only a matter of time before he disposed of Ortiz.
For one thing, during the 4th rd alone, with the exception of Ortiz's headbutt and point deduction, that could have been viewed as his round.
He was the aggressor, pushed Floyd against the ropes and landed some decent punches.
Floyd on the other hand showed good defense throughout the first few rounds and landed a few good punches.
But the point is that neither fighter was clearly ahead and it was shaping up to be one of Floyd's most difficult fights.
He was in against a young slugger, who wasn't afraid of him.
Forget the sucker punch that ended it. The shots were ruled legal. It's over.
My problem is the obvious corruption in boxing in which writers, commentators and even refs have obvious biases.
Boxing is a sport and as fans we expect an honest opinion.
But what we saw from numerous writers is one of the reasons why boxing is declining as a sport
BuckyBadger. said 09/21, 07:27 PM
These writers weren't being bias. Most of them, including Dan Rafael, have always been overly critical of Floyd and they had no choice but to report what they saw.
If you didn't think Floyd was winning the fight by at least 3-1, was really 4-0, at the time of the knockout than 1 you are bias against Floyd, 2 have no idea how to judge a boxing match or 3 got caught up in the little flurry Ortiz had.
Boxing is hit and don't be hit so lets look at the punch stats:
Rd1: FM 9/41 22% VO 5/42 12%
Rd2: FM 15/47 32% VO 8/46 17%
Rd3: FM 22/53 42% VO 4/33 12%
Rd4: FM 27/67 40% VO 9/27 33%
Totals: FM 73/208 35% VO 26/148 18%.
Jabs: FM 12/83 14% VO 0/31
Power Shots: FM 61/125 49% VO 26/117 22%
As we can see Floyd landed more and at a higher rate in ALL the rounds. His totals were higher as well. It wasn't just jabs which Ortiz couldn't land a single one, it was power shots as well. Floyd's straight right landed at will and was the most telling punch of the fight outside the cheap shot.
Sorry but one moment in which Ortiz was so frustrated he threw a headbutt doesn't make the fight close. This was looking like a washout which IMO makes the cheap shot all the worse.
J-Business said 09/22, 03:40 PM
Let me re-state my argument. Writers who are saying Floyd was clearly dominating the fight are crooked.
Yes, Floyd was ahead on the score card and I never alluded to Ortiz was winning the bout.
W/o either fighter landing anything significant, who can clearly predict the outcome
Can you point to one punch or combo of punches Floyd landed that showed he was going to dominate? No
My point is that, the fight ended prematurely and no one can say with any certainty how it would have ended.
In regards to the writers, a look at both Yahoo Sports and SI will show writers on the same sites with widely different views of the fight and the "KO".
The bias is so extreme that writers either love Floyd or they hate him.
Now do they actually love him or hate him personally?
Probably not, but with two main promoters pulling most of the strings in boxing, writers have to choose a side to stay in the game.
What other sport will we such obvious bias? None.
At the end of the day, the primary reason why many writers want to paint this as fight as over is because it will make it easier for fans to move on, forget and anticipate the potential Mayweather-Pacquiao fight
BuckyBadger. said 09/22, 04:19 PM
Floyd was dominating the fight. He landed more than double the power shots at more than double the connection %. Floyd's defense and offense where far superior.
You have to be blind to say you can't find a punch that showed Floyd dominance. Floyd was landing his straight right at will. He didn't have to set it up with his jab or anything. Just fired it down the pipeline and it was landing on the button. This punch would have eventually knocked Ortiz out. No one at 147lbs can take that punch for 12 rounds.
The thing is Ortiz demonstrated nothing to show he could compete in the fight. His headbutt was out of complete frustration.
Floyd wasn't just winning on the score cards, he was shutting Ortiz out. You said the 4th could have been called Oritz's round. That is completely false. Floyd landed triple the amount of punches and only 3 where jabs.
The writers aren't corrupt or kissing anyone's rear to ensure future press passes. Promoters need them there, they don't control the press [just sometimes the judges and ref]. Iole, Mannix, Wetzel and Rafael all of Yahoo, SI and ESPN all have been critical in the past. They just reported what they saw which is their job.
J-Business said 09/23, 04:16 PM
I stand by my assertion.
I don't think 4 rds of action without either fighter being hurt is enough to determine who would was dominating the fight.
Boxing is and will continue to be the most corrupt sport. That's a given. To think that boxing writers aren't apart of the mix is absurd.
I'm willing to bet that should Pac and Mayweather fight, insiders could make wagers on who will support who based on previous articles.
BuckyBadger. said 09/23, 04:32 PM
The sport of boxing has plenty of corruption. Money is the driving force. I have not seen it with the writers for the sites you have stated. Just because you disagree with what they wrote doesn't make them corrupt. The fact that so many who have both supported Floyd and bashed him in the past all agree should make you look at your assessment as being wrong rather than saying everyone else is corrupt.
Writers at Yahoo, SI and ESPN are not plants by promoters. The Ring might be which is why I really don't read them much but EVERY writer is saying the same thing. No one is saying Ortiz was doing anything. Sorry but your opinion is an incorrect one here.
Boxing is judged on 4 major principals. Clean Punching, Defense, Ring Generalship and Effective Aggressiveness. No order here, all taken into consideration.
No one in their right mind would say Ortiz was doing any of the first 3 so lets just do the last one.
Ortiz at a few times was the aggressor but at no point was it effective and that is really the key word. Being a non-effective aggressor is just tiring yourself out and is a testament to the opponents Defense, principal #2. The fight was headed to a washout.
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