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  • 09/22/2011, 08:18PM ET

Dale Jr. can't win a race to save his life. He is as good as Juan Pablo Montoya, not Jeff Gordon.

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As Carl Edwards says "Dale Jr. sells the most T-Shirts, and doesn't win very many races. The only reason Dale Jr. drives NASCAr is because his dad was a great and everybody (fans) wanted him to follow his fathers foot steps.That being said he has won 18 races and finsihed in the top 10 160 times. But the last race he won was in 2008 and since then his skill has declined. The ONLY REASON he made the chase was he got lucky, very lucky.

Anyway, Dale Jr. Can't win races, he's not that good of a driver.


Juan Pablo Montoya has two career wins, both at road courses. He's irrelevant at oval tracks, and has been a complete failure in NASCAR.

There was a time in Jr's career when he was one of the top drivers, finished top 5 in the points a couple times, and got around 20 wins.

Plus, he made the Chase this season, JPM sits around 20th in points, while currently Dale Jr sits in the top 5.

I'm not a Jr fan, I was a fan of his dad's, and a current fan of Kevin Harvick and Brad Keselowski, I never was a Jr fan, but stopped pulling for Jr completely the second he signed with Hendrick, but to say he's down there with JPM is a total joke. And Dale Jr might have barely hung on to his Chase spot this season, but the consistent top 5's and 10's he posted at the beginning of the season wasn't luck.

He's not one of the best drivers out there to day, no, but he's been in a lot of races this season where he's had a chance to win, and he could sneak in a win before the end of the season.


Comparing him to his dad or Jeff Gordon is a completely unfair comparison. His dad is arguably the greatest of all time, and Gordon is top 5 all time.


Forfeited Turn


Nuff said


Ok I lost time to post. I'm a Gordon fan and this arguement is not all about JPM being better than Jr.It's about Jr is a poor driver. That being said Stats don't mean everything. The will to win and driving skill mean alot more than wins and top 10 finishes.

Jr did used to be an elite driver about 6 to 7 years ago. But Today he has faded. And also making the chase doesn't prove a whole lot. It's easy to get in the chase without ever winning a race and only getting top 5 finishes 50% of the time.

He had good finishes early in the seaon which is freakin easy. Daytona, Pheonix, and Las Vegas are easy tracks. There over a mile and have wide turns. He's faded since, barely got in the chase and has ultimately decreased in skill. If comparing Dale Jr. to JPM isn't fare it safe to say that Jr is on Harvick's or Kurt Busch's level, or maybe a little lower like say Kasey Kane.

This is my last argument so UH- ROCKER SPEAKS TRUTH!!! gets that last word. And I got 5 votes to make up. Thanks to everyone who's voted for me.


Jr isn't a poor driver. A poor driver doesn't sit in the top 5 in points, and doesn't make the Chase. A poor driver doesn't get 18 career wins, and finish in the top 5 in points 3 times. He might not be an elite driver these days, but he's far from a poor driver.

Consistency pays off, and Jr had that at the beginning of the season, and when everybody wrote him off as a non contender, he gets a 3rd place finish. Bottom line is he has a chance to win the championship, and sits higher in points than the likes of Jimmie Johnson, Kyle Busch and Jeff Gordon.

I don't know if you're trying to call Harvick a poor driver or not, you worded that wierd, but he's the point leader and tied for the most wins this season, comparing Jr to him is an unfair comparison.

Jr came into NASCAR with unfair expectations because of his dad. Jr isn't his dad, he never was and he never will be, but he's had a decent career, and several years ahead of him.

He's a decent driver, who gets decent finishes, which is why he's top 5 in points right now and JPM is around 20th.

September 22, 2011  08:37 PM ET

Can i argue jimmy johnson?

September 22, 2011  08:44 PM ET

So what are you arguing?

September 22, 2011  08:44 PM ET

Juan Pablo Montoya has two career wins, both at road courses. He's irrelevant at oval tracks, and has been a complete failure in NASCAR.

There was a time in Jr's career when he was one of the top drivers, finished top 5 in the points a couple times, and got around 20 wins.

Plus, he made the Chase this season, JPM sits around 20th in points, while currently Dale Jr sits in the top 5.

I'm not a Jr fan, I was a fan of his dad's, and a current fan of Kevin Harvick and Brad Keselowski, I never was a Jr fan, but stopped pulling for Jr completely the second he signed with Hendrick, but to say he's down there with JPM is a total joke. And Dale Jr might have barely hung on to his Chase spot this season, but the consistent top 5's and 10's he posted at the beginning of the season wasn't luck.

He's not one of the best drivers out there to day, no, but he's been in a lot of races this season where he's had a chance to win, and he could sneak in a win before the end of the season.

Too bad you posted this so close to the weekend, I'll let Float take this.

September 22, 2011  08:50 PM ET

Screw it. If I forfeit a turn, I forfeit a turn.

September 22, 2011  08:51 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

Screw it. If I forfeit a turn, I forfeit a turn.

That's the spirit!

September 22, 2011  09:26 PM ET

So the poll questions are

Dupe

Troll

Both

September 22, 2011  09:27 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

Screw it. If I forfeit a turn, I forfeit a turn.

You and your weekend TD ban!

September 22, 2011  09:43 PM ET

If I'm JPM I'm insulted.

Danica Earnhardt Jr. is not in his league.

September 22, 2011  09:48 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

If I'm JPM I'm insulted.Danica Earnhardt Jr. is not in his league.

Despite the fact that JPM is irrelevant at oval tracks, and his only two wins came at road courses, and Jr is in the CHase, and JPM is hovering around 20th in points?

I'm not a Jr fan by any meand, I hate RHR with a passion, but JPM has been a complete failure in NASCAR other than the fact he opened up the Colombian market.

September 22, 2011  09:51 PM ET

I think all you people who want to declare failure ought to look up career winnings, contract amounts and endorsements. Going down to the start and parks, I think you'll find these failures make quite a bit of change. If that's a failure, where do I sign up?

NO matter what the sport everybody can't win every day. You look at a career.

September 22, 2011  09:52 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

If I'm JPM I'm insulted.Danica Earnhardt Jr. is not in his league.

you're delusional as you've proved many times on the NASCAR threads

September 22, 2011  09:53 PM ET
QUOTE(#10):

I think all you people who want to declare failure ought to look up career winnings, contract amounts and endorsements. Going down to the start and parks, I think you'll find these failures make quite a bit of change. If that's a failure, where do I sign up?NO matter what the sport everybody can't win every day. You look at a career.

Of course they all make bank, that doesn't mean they aren't failures in the sport.

September 22, 2011  09:54 PM ET

nickr, stick to hockey.

September 22, 2011  09:55 PM ET
QUOTE(#12):

Of course they all make bank, that doesn't mean they aren't failures in the sport.

a 2x nationwide (busch) series champion, daytona 500 winner, and winner of 18 total sprint cup races, currently 5th in the chase standings = not a failure by any means.. keep dreaming

September 22, 2011  09:56 PM ET

also, how many current drivers have more wins than dale jr? like 6? complete failure.

September 22, 2011  09:56 PM ET
QUOTE(#14):

a 2x nationwide (busch) series champion, daytona 500 winner, and winner of 18 total sprint cup races, currently 5th in the chase standings = not a failure by any means.. keep dreaming

I wasn't referring to Jr. It wasn't that long ago when he was one of the top drivers, and I think he has the potential to make a comeback.

I was referring to JPM's career in NASCAR.

September 22, 2011  09:57 PM ET

How many basketball, football or baseball players win a championship? So the rest are all losers?

I prefer to watch and enjoy the human struggle. Striving for greatness, reaching and just missing. But strapping it back on and doing it again.

But I guess out there in the real world, you are all champions every day! Congrats

September 22, 2011  09:59 PM ET
QUOTE(#15):

also, how many current drivers have more wins than dale jr? like 6? complete failure.

Again, wasn't calling him a failure.

And off the top of my head...

Jeff Gordon
Mark Martin
Jimmie Johnson
Bobby Labonte
Jeff Burton
Kevin harvick
Carl Edwards
Kurt Busch
Kyle Busch
Matt Kenseth
Tony Stewart

September 22, 2011  10:01 PM ET
QUOTE(#17):

How many basketball, football or baseball players win a championship? So the rest are all losers?I prefer to watch and enjoy the human struggle. Striving for greatness, reaching and just missing. But strapping it back on and doing it again.But I guess out there in the real world, you are all champions every day! Congrats

You are looking too far into it.

With JPM, and all of the hype surrounding him coming in, him predicting a championship in his rookie year, he hasn't came close to living up to the hype, he's been a disappointment, hasn't made many friends, and thus far has been a bust in NASCAR.

 
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